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Anything that gets access to my E-mails and isn't an all-local app with local processing instantly raises a red flag. My E-mail is not something I want out ther

by jwr 10y ago

Anything that gets access to my E-mails and isn't an all-local app with local processing instantly raises a red flag. My E-mail is not something I want out there in public. A quick glance at the page doesn't tell me if this thing processes my E-mail online, or locally, and what data gets shared where and with whom.

sarim 10y ago
I completely understand your concerns. Your emails aren't sent anywhere; they are processed on our server. We have our own ML model so we don't share any of your data with a third party. Moreover, we don't store the content of your email. We just give emails scores based on various attributes and those scores are used to make all the predictions.
- jwr 10y ago
  Well, but this means that my E-mails are sent to your server. While I do believe your best intentions, history shows that even the best of intentions do not survive ownership changes, and that breakins do happen.
- e12e 10y ago
  > Your emails aren't sent anywhere; they are processed on our server. So, I need to move my email to be hosted on your servers? Because if not, the correct way to the describe what you're doing is: "email is sent to our servers" which is the opposite of: "Your emails aren't sent anywhere". Do you manage your own servers? Is the answer really, "your email is sent to virtual servers we lease from Amazon" for example? It's not that trusting (yet another) party with full access to every email is necessarily a deal breaker - but every additional service and ops team that gain access is another potential human error added, that could lead to compromise. Even compromise of something as trivial as ones email address: I currently get almost all spam to the addresses I used to sign up for Adobe, LinkedIn and Dropbox before they each got hacked in turn. The only sensible assumption about a new service is that it will be compromised at some point - it's important to be able to evaluate the risks involved. (So you not storing email in perpetuity is good to know. One does wonder how much data might be gleaned from getting a copy of a neural network trained on my personal correspondence for a decade though).
- mdekkers 10y ago
  Your emails aren't sent anywhere; they are processed on our server. They are sent to your server. Which means they are being sent somewhere. Seriously? Something tells me you picked the wrong crowd to be dissembling with....
- nileshtrivedi 10y ago
  > they are processed on our server So, they are sent to at least three different entities: your ISP, your hosting provider and you.
Zak 10y ago
I had this same basic idea, but have not pursued it very aggressively. Part of what kept me from doing much about it is that I don't expect people to want me to be able read their emails to gain some convenience/efficiency. On the other hand, the evidence seems to suggest that people will give up nearly any amount of privacy for a little convenience, so everyone but the sort of people who read HN will probably love it if it works well enough.

by jwr 10y ago

sarim 10y ago

I completely understand your concerns. Your emails aren't sent anywhere; they are processed on our server. We have our own ML model so we don't share any of your data with a third party. Moreover, we don't store the content of your email. We just give emails scores based on various attributes and those scores are used to make all the predictions.

jwr 10y ago
Well, but this means that my E-mails are sent to your server. While I do believe your best intentions, history shows that even the best of intentions do not survive ownership changes, and that breakins do happen.
e12e 10y ago
> Your emails aren't sent anywhere; they are processed on our server. So, I need to move my email to be hosted on your servers? Because if not, the correct way to the describe what you're doing is: "email is sent to our servers" which is the opposite of: "Your emails aren't sent anywhere". Do you manage your own servers? Is the answer really, "your email is sent to virtual servers we lease from Amazon" for example? It's not that trusting (yet another) party with full access to every email is necessarily a deal breaker - but every additional service and ops team that gain access is another potential human error added, that could lead to compromise. Even compromise of something as trivial as ones email address: I currently get almost all spam to the addresses I used to sign up for Adobe, LinkedIn and Dropbox before they each got hacked in turn. The only sensible assumption about a new service is that it will be compromised at some point - it's important to be able to evaluate the risks involved. (So you not storing email in perpetuity is good to know. One does wonder how much data might be gleaned from getting a copy of a neural network trained on my personal correspondence for a decade though).
mdekkers 10y ago
Your emails aren't sent anywhere; they are processed on our server. They are sent to your server. Which means they are being sent somewhere. Seriously? Something tells me you picked the wrong crowd to be dissembling with....
nileshtrivedi 10y ago
> they are processed on our server So, they are sent to at least three different entities: your ISP, your hosting provider and you.

Zak 10y ago

I had this same basic idea, but have not pursued it very aggressively. Part of what kept me from doing much about it is that I don't expect people to want me to be able read their emails to gain some convenience/efficiency. On the other hand, the evidence seems to suggest that people will give up nearly any amount of privacy for a little convenience, so everyone but the sort of people who read HN will probably love it if it works well enough.