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I just read this and thought ... didn't that transaction take place after the infamous tweet? Couldn't anyone have done it? Quick google and sure enough: https:

by themgt 10y ago

I just read this and thought ... didn't that transaction take place after the infamous tweet? Couldn't anyone have done it? Quick google and sure enough: https://medium.com/@jimmysong/no-sean-spicer-didnt-make-some-secret-bitcoin-transaction-94b4851844b5 https://medium.com/@jimmysong/no-sean-spicer-didnt-make-some... Why are so many so desperate to believe this immense hydra of a conspiracy theory?

QuinnyPig 10y ago
I think it started right around the same time as "ratings" outweighed "truth" on the metrics media companies cared about...
bpodgursky 10y ago
I read an interesting article pointing out that fake news originating on the left spiked dramatically after Trump's election. In general, it seems that those who feel out of power and out of control are more willing to latch onto nonsense and conspiracies. Edit: sources, since this is attracting mindless downvotes https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/feb/06/liberal-fake-news-shift-trump-standing-rock https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/feb/06/liberal-fake-n... http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-39592010 http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-39592010
- losteric 10y ago
  I'm not sure why you're getting down votes, gas-lighting has been a discussion topic since a year ago. If Putin is behind mass propaganda, the Kremlin's gas-lighting approach explicitly involves supporting extremist groups across the political spectrum in order to disrupt opposition forces. One would expect more left-leaning propaganda, because planting propaganda serves to fracture the movement from within, demonize it in the eyes of the extreme opponents, and undermine the legitimacy of the communication medium. Go read Dugin's playbook, or the numerous English translations/analysis. Example: Why was Jill Stein photographed sitting at the same table as Flynn and Putin? Because it delegitimized the native Russia Green Party, and builds a narrative that drives a wedge between the Green and Democrat progressive groups.
throwaway287391 10y ago
Not saying you or the article you linked are wrong, but are the two timestamps the same time zone? (Are they both GMT?) It seems like an obvious thing to check but I don't see the time zone mentioned anywhere, and there do exist pairs of time zones where the ostensibly later bitcoin transaction could have actually come before the tweet.
- altoz 10y ago
  Hi, author of the Medium article here. The block containing the transaction was mined at 4:57pm EST (21:57 GMT) on 1/26: https://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000000000001b12145b9ba0d899548b401acff953dd02bd0339e084a73 https://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000000000001b12145b9ba... https://blockchain.info/tx/143a764d3fa405f428e1d0e5b9d01b88e69ceaf915f069fa436cb513205c1fbc https://blockchain.info/tx/143a764d3fa405f428e1d0e5b9d01b88e... This tweet showing the screenshot is clearly earlier: https://twitter.com/evanoconnell/status/824614832691355648 https://twitter.com/evanoconnell/status/824614832691355648
chpmrc 10y ago
Would it be implausible that the user that took the tweet's screenshot was in a timezone 12+ hours behind the timezone used in bitsig? Am I watching too much House of Cards?
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- makomk 10y ago
  Very implausible. Largest plausible timezone difference would be like 8 hours (US west coast to GMT), which wouldn't be enough to explain this. The actual timezone difference seems to be a mere 5 hours.

by themgt 10y ago

QuinnyPig 10y ago

I think it started right around the same time as "ratings" outweighed "truth" on the metrics media companies cared about...

bpodgursky 10y ago

I read an interesting article pointing out that fake news originating on the left spiked dramatically after Trump's election. In general, it seems that those who feel out of power and out of control are more willing to latch onto nonsense and conspiracies. Edit: sources, since this is attracting mindless downvotes https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/feb/06/liberal-fake-news-shift-trump-standing-rock https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/feb/06/liberal-fake-n... http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-39592010 http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-39592010

losteric 10y ago
I'm not sure why you're getting down votes, gas-lighting has been a discussion topic since a year ago. If Putin is behind mass propaganda, the Kremlin's gas-lighting approach explicitly involves supporting extremist groups across the political spectrum in order to disrupt opposition forces. One would expect more left-leaning propaganda, because planting propaganda serves to fracture the movement from within, demonize it in the eyes of the extreme opponents, and undermine the legitimacy of the communication medium. Go read Dugin's playbook, or the numerous English translations/analysis. Example: Why was Jill Stein photographed sitting at the same table as Flynn and Putin? Because it delegitimized the native Russia Green Party, and builds a narrative that drives a wedge between the Green and Democrat progressive groups.

throwaway287391 10y ago

Not saying you or the article you linked are wrong, but are the two timestamps the same time zone? (Are they both GMT?) It seems like an obvious thing to check but I don't see the time zone mentioned anywhere, and there do exist pairs of time zones where the ostensibly later bitcoin transaction could have actually come before the tweet.

altoz 10y ago
Hi, author of the Medium article here. The block containing the transaction was mined at 4:57pm EST (21:57 GMT) on 1/26: https://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000000000001b12145b9ba0d899548b401acff953dd02bd0339e084a73 https://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000000000001b12145b9ba... https://blockchain.info/tx/143a764d3fa405f428e1d0e5b9d01b88e69ceaf915f069fa436cb513205c1fbc https://blockchain.info/tx/143a764d3fa405f428e1d0e5b9d01b88e... This tweet showing the screenshot is clearly earlier: https://twitter.com/evanoconnell/status/824614832691355648 https://twitter.com/evanoconnell/status/824614832691355648

chpmrc 10y ago

Would it be implausible that the user that took the tweet's screenshot was in a timezone 12+ hours behind the timezone used in bitsig? Am I watching too much House of Cards?

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makomk 10y ago
Very implausible. Largest plausible timezone difference would be like 8 hours (US west coast to GMT), which wouldn't be enough to explain this. The actual timezone difference seems to be a mere 5 hours.