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Deleted this comment because it's apparently rubbing people the wrong way that I experienced poor performance using Adobe programs on a Windows machine and deci

Deleted this comment because it's apparently rubbing people the wrong way that I experienced poor performance using Adobe programs on a Windows machine and decided to share that experience.

jayd16 9y ago
Could be the disk speed.
- iamatworknow 9y ago
  No disk drive. Running off of an ADATA Premier SP600 256 gig SSD, which is supposed to have 540MB/s read, 290MB/s write.
  - copperx 9y ago
    Pointing out the obvious here, but there seems to be something wrong with your build. Adobe CS should be running very smoothly in your system. I have CS running on and old i3 machine with 8 GB of RAM with an SSD and an integrated video card, and Photoshop runs as fast as in my MBPr i7.
    - iamatworknow 9y ago
      What's weird is that any game I throw at the machine (which is what I built it for) works flawlessly. It's only Lightroom/Photoshop that give me grief.
emsy 9y ago
I've never heard that PS is supposed to run better on one platform. From my personal experience there's no difference. PS performs bad pretty much platform-independently. However I'd love to see some tests about this.
- iamatworknow 9y ago
  If there are tests you can point me to I'd love to run them. I admittedly haven't used either program much on the Windows PC, as I was turned off almost instantly when spot usage of clone/heal tools took on the order of seconds to complete. Edit: I'd love an explanation as to why this was downvoted as well.
ericabiz 9y ago
I use Creative Suite regularly on both PC and Mac and haven't really seen a difference in speed at all. All 3 computers I run it on have SSDs, though. Are you running SSD on the Windows side?
- iamatworknow 9y ago
  Yeah, mentioned that in another comment: ADATA Premier SP600 256 gig SSD
  - sireat 9y ago
    Could be a bad chip batch on the SSD. 3rd party SSD vendors are notorious for switching around NAND suppliers. Often they are forced to do so(since they do not control the supply like Samsung/Micron/Intel does) Besides SP600 is not considered a particularly good SSD Pretty much all SATA3 SSDs claim the top speed of 500MB+ read/ 300MB+ write which is a best case scenario. Many lesser SSDs have problems in random read writes.
drumttocs8 9y ago
Adobe CS works great on my similarly spec'd (slightly worse) PC. Maybe try reinstalling? I do have an SSD- if yours is a platter that could affect performance too.
jsight 9y ago
I am very suspicious of the benchmarks that you pointed to. Maybe some users are reporting erroneous data? Take a look at the Passmark list here: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php The i5 scores in at 7995, and the i7 4960HQ is 9770. If you are really CPU bound, there are going to be some big advantages for the i7 here. Of course, if performance is so bad on the Windows machine that it is nearly unusable, then there is probably something else causing the issue.
- iamatworknow 9y ago
  Maybe that's the case, then? I just googled the comparison and that site I linked came up.
  - jsight 9y ago
    It is definitely possible. I switched to using Passmark almost exclusively after having some of the other sites give me some really horrible data a few times (CPU Boss, in my case).
rjbwork 9y ago
If you want to go full speed optimization: Go with about 4-8 times as much RAM, and Ramdisk your commonly used programs like PS/LR, and make sure you have a large swap space on a dedicated NVMe SSD. Also consider getting higher performing RAM. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/x3yxFT/corsair-memory-cmk32gx4m4b3600c16r https://pcpartpicker.com/product/x3yxFT/corsair-memory-cmk32... is a relatively cheap high-performance RAM module. More ram per stick will get more expensive and have higher CAS latency. Get at least a 7700k and OC to at least 4.8Ghz, though most will go higher. Consider buying from a known-bin site, such as https://siliconlottery.com/collections/all/products/7700k52g https://siliconlottery.com/collections/all/products/7700k52g which has a chip known to perform stably at 5.2GHz. Consider getting a high-end quadro instead of a consumer-level card- the P4000 is a good entry-level, while a P6000 is an absolute monster, though probably overpriced. NVidia claims better performance in Photoshop and Lightroom using those instead. http://www.nvidia.com/object/adobe.html http://www.nvidia.com/object/adobe.html Consider a high-end Z270 ASRock motherboard. They are almost always the best choice for making everything else work together optimally. You can always get better performance with more hardware and better configuration if you need to - is it worth it to you over buying a Mac though, and will the performance of that Mac actually be better?
- iamatworknow 9y ago
  Thanks for the suggestions. Maybe someone else here will find them helpful if they're considering a new build. I'm not in the market to build a new Windows computer after just building the one I have now a year ago, though. I'm fine with just using the Macbook for photo editing. It's very possible that there's something else going wrong with my Windows desktop as it's setup now, and it should be running better than it does. Whatever that may be, I'm unsure. I would expect the programs to at least be usable, but they aren't. And this isn't directed at you in particular, but I should probably make it clear (since for some reason my comments have been getting downvotes) that I'm not saying that Windows computers in general are incapable of running these programs, and I'm not a Mac fanboy in any sense of the word. I'm relaying what I've experienced. If I click and hold an adjustment brush, drag it an inch, let go of the mouse button, then move the mouse to another area of the screen, the program shouldn't lag to the point where it doesn't even register that I let off the adjustment brush and give me a stroke that goes across the entire photo. And yet it does. It doesn't benefit me at all to lie about it.

Deleted this comment because it's apparently rubbing people the wrong way that I experienced poor performance using Adobe programs on a Windows machine and decided to share that experience.

jayd16 9y ago

Could be the disk speed.

iamatworknow 9y ago
No disk drive. Running off of an ADATA Premier SP600 256 gig SSD, which is supposed to have 540MB/s read, 290MB/s write.
- copperx 9y ago
  Pointing out the obvious here, but there seems to be something wrong with your build. Adobe CS should be running very smoothly in your system. I have CS running on and old i3 machine with 8 GB of RAM with an SSD and an integrated video card, and Photoshop runs as fast as in my MBPr i7.
  - iamatworknow 9y ago
    What's weird is that any game I throw at the machine (which is what I built it for) works flawlessly. It's only Lightroom/Photoshop that give me grief.

emsy 9y ago

I've never heard that PS is supposed to run better on one platform. From my personal experience there's no difference. PS performs bad pretty much platform-independently. However I'd love to see some tests about this.

iamatworknow 9y ago
If there are tests you can point me to I'd love to run them. I admittedly haven't used either program much on the Windows PC, as I was turned off almost instantly when spot usage of clone/heal tools took on the order of seconds to complete. Edit: I'd love an explanation as to why this was downvoted as well.

ericabiz 9y ago

I use Creative Suite regularly on both PC and Mac and haven't really seen a difference in speed at all. All 3 computers I run it on have SSDs, though. Are you running SSD on the Windows side?

iamatworknow 9y ago
Yeah, mentioned that in another comment: ADATA Premier SP600 256 gig SSD
- sireat 9y ago
  Could be a bad chip batch on the SSD. 3rd party SSD vendors are notorious for switching around NAND suppliers. Often they are forced to do so(since they do not control the supply like Samsung/Micron/Intel does) Besides SP600 is not considered a particularly good SSD Pretty much all SATA3 SSDs claim the top speed of 500MB+ read/ 300MB+ write which is a best case scenario. Many lesser SSDs have problems in random read writes.

drumttocs8 9y ago

Adobe CS works great on my similarly spec'd (slightly worse) PC. Maybe try reinstalling? I do have an SSD- if yours is a platter that could affect performance too.

jsight 9y ago

I am very suspicious of the benchmarks that you pointed to. Maybe some users are reporting erroneous data? Take a look at the Passmark list here: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php The i5 scores in at 7995, and the i7 4960HQ is 9770. If you are really CPU bound, there are going to be some big advantages for the i7 here. Of course, if performance is so bad on the Windows machine that it is nearly unusable, then there is probably something else causing the issue.

iamatworknow 9y ago
Maybe that's the case, then? I just googled the comparison and that site I linked came up.
- jsight 9y ago
  It is definitely possible. I switched to using Passmark almost exclusively after having some of the other sites give me some really horrible data a few times (CPU Boss, in my case).

rjbwork 9y ago

If you want to go full speed optimization: Go with about 4-8 times as much RAM, and Ramdisk your commonly used programs like PS/LR, and make sure you have a large swap space on a dedicated NVMe SSD. Also consider getting higher performing RAM. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/x3yxFT/corsair-memory-cmk32gx4m4b3600c16r https://pcpartpicker.com/product/x3yxFT/corsair-memory-cmk32... is a relatively cheap high-performance RAM module. More ram per stick will get more expensive and have higher CAS latency. Get at least a 7700k and OC to at least 4.8Ghz, though most will go higher. Consider buying from a known-bin site, such as https://siliconlottery.com/collections/all/products/7700k52g https://siliconlottery.com/collections/all/products/7700k52g which has a chip known to perform stably at 5.2GHz. Consider getting a high-end quadro instead of a consumer-level card- the P4000 is a good entry-level, while a P6000 is an absolute monster, though probably overpriced. NVidia claims better performance in Photoshop and Lightroom using those instead. http://www.nvidia.com/object/adobe.html http://www.nvidia.com/object/adobe.html Consider a high-end Z270 ASRock motherboard. They are almost always the best choice for making everything else work together optimally. You can always get better performance with more hardware and better configuration if you need to - is it worth it to you over buying a Mac though, and will the performance of that Mac actually be better?

iamatworknow 9y ago
Thanks for the suggestions. Maybe someone else here will find them helpful if they're considering a new build. I'm not in the market to build a new Windows computer after just building the one I have now a year ago, though. I'm fine with just using the Macbook for photo editing. It's very possible that there's something else going wrong with my Windows desktop as it's setup now, and it should be running better than it does. Whatever that may be, I'm unsure. I would expect the programs to at least be usable, but they aren't. And this isn't directed at you in particular, but I should probably make it clear (since for some reason my comments have been getting downvotes) that I'm not saying that Windows computers in general are incapable of running these programs, and I'm not a Mac fanboy in any sense of the word. I'm relaying what I've experienced. If I click and hold an adjustment brush, drag it an inch, let go of the mouse button, then move the mouse to another area of the screen, the program shouldn't lag to the point where it doesn't even register that I let off the adjustment brush and give me a stroke that goes across the entire photo. And yet it does. It doesn't benefit me at all to lie about it.