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The one question that I have is how do we stop this? Do I go somewhere to vote? Do I send a letter? Do I go to petition.org or something? Can I only donate

The one question that I have is how do we stop this? Do I go somewhere to vote? Do I send a letter? Do I go to petition.org or something? Can I only donate to the EFF and that's it? What do I need to do to have a concrete affect on the outcome of this instead of just commenting here or in some other thread?

ep103 9y ago
Al Franklin apparently just came out against this pretty loudly. So yes, I'd say the same steps as before, donate to politicans that come out against this, write letters / emails to your senators / representatives, and lodge a comment with the FCC. We saw under wheeler that while they can ignore that type of community activism, it absolutely has effects.
loteck 9y ago
What you can do now to stop a political process that ended last November is: nothing. It's in the past. What you can do now to impact political processes in the near future (no policy is immutable, after all) is to work in your community to build consensus around policies you believe in, so that those policies are reflected in future decisions. I don't know when, but at some point we as a country of citizens got really bad at understanding this, it seems like!
- sanderjd 9y ago
  Exactly. The thing to do is to convince people you know that this is a bad idea. I think there are lots of pro-small-business Republicans who see this as a good reduction in regulation that will benefit the dynamic tech entrepreneurship sector, and who would be surprised at its unpopularity within the hotbed of exactly those entrepreneurial techies that is HN. Most Republican voters are no friend to regulatory capture, they just haven't been convinced that's what is going on in this administration.
  - jay-anderson 9y ago
    Advice I've heard is to appeal to your audience's principles (moral reframing is the term I've heard it called: https://www.fastcompany.com/3067593/how-to-use-moral-reframing-to-persuade-conservatives-to-support-immigration https://www.fastcompany.com/3067593/how-to-use-moral-reframi...). In this case which principles that republicans/conservatives/etc. hold dear would provide good arguments for opposing this proposal? I don't think I have a good answer for that yet. Here are some ideas: - Personal Freedom: This change will allow ISPs to restrict or hobble sites you choose to go to. - Free market: This is allowing entrenched ISPs to restrict competition in what web sites we visit. Only the big players will be able to afford access artificially restricting the free market. - Purity: From what I understand this change hinges on the ability to define a broadband ISP as an information service rather than a telecommunication service. I could see an argument here that ISPs are attempting to use a loophole to skirt the law defining the service they provide. If anyone has ideas here I'd love to hear them.
- nebabyte 9y ago
  > no policy is immutable, after all - congress can preclude future congresses from revisiting issues - policies can become so entrenched as 'precedent' that they're seen as the 'right way' to do things our entire system is built against changing. That's why you don't see successful article V reform
jslampe 9y ago
Like the channel 4 news gang, our good friends at Demand Progress have officially re-assembled the ol' gang to relaunch, "Battle for the Net" (www.battleforthenet.com), today. This is the same team that helped spearhead the 2015 campaign that successfully changed Chairman Wheeler's mind to protect the Internet as a Utility. They've already collected over 800 startup signatures (including our own) and is now gearing up for an intense war with Trump's administration and the ISP heavyweights.... again.
zanny 9y ago
Vote and campaign in your next election for a candidate you believe in, send letters to your representatives to not vote for anti-net-neutrality legislation, and donate to the EFF. The petition.org thing is useless. Like the other poster said, though, these are the consequences of last novembers election. You won't undo what is happening now. You can just participate to stop it from happening again and reverse the course to the best of your ability in the future.
ilaksh 9y ago
Support true democracy over representative government. Or ideas that have evolved beyond democracy. See http://reddit.com/r/rad_decentralization http://reddit.com/r/rad_decentralization, http://reddit.com/r/polycentric_law http://reddit.com/r/polycentric_law, http://reddit.com/r/ethereum http://reddit.com/r/ethereum.
s73ver 9y ago
Call your Congressional representation, for starters. Another thing you can do is pressure your state legislature to reinstate the rules, similar to what some states did after Congress voted to remove ISP privacy rules.
orthecreedence 9y ago
Support anyone who wants to get rid of FPTP voting and introduce a more representative voting system (ranked choice, for example). Right now, people have to vote for the least of two shitty candidates. Instead, we could vote for the ones who represent us the most without worrying about who will actually win. This won't fix corporate corruption, which is the underlying cause of the attack on net neutrality, but it will certainly make representatives more beholden to their voters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI

ep103 9y ago

Al Franklin apparently just came out against this pretty loudly. So yes, I'd say the same steps as before, donate to politicans that come out against this, write letters / emails to your senators / representatives, and lodge a comment with the FCC. We saw under wheeler that while they can ignore that type of community activism, it absolutely has effects.

loteck 9y ago

What you can do now to stop a political process that ended last November is: nothing. It's in the past. What you can do now to impact political processes in the near future (no policy is immutable, after all) is to work in your community to build consensus around policies you believe in, so that those policies are reflected in future decisions. I don't know when, but at some point we as a country of citizens got really bad at understanding this, it seems like!

sanderjd 9y ago
Exactly. The thing to do is to convince people you know that this is a bad idea. I think there are lots of pro-small-business Republicans who see this as a good reduction in regulation that will benefit the dynamic tech entrepreneurship sector, and who would be surprised at its unpopularity within the hotbed of exactly those entrepreneurial techies that is HN. Most Republican voters are no friend to regulatory capture, they just haven't been convinced that's what is going on in this administration.
- jay-anderson 9y ago
  Advice I've heard is to appeal to your audience's principles (moral reframing is the term I've heard it called: https://www.fastcompany.com/3067593/how-to-use-moral-reframing-to-persuade-conservatives-to-support-immigration https://www.fastcompany.com/3067593/how-to-use-moral-reframi...). In this case which principles that republicans/conservatives/etc. hold dear would provide good arguments for opposing this proposal? I don't think I have a good answer for that yet. Here are some ideas: - Personal Freedom: This change will allow ISPs to restrict or hobble sites you choose to go to. - Free market: This is allowing entrenched ISPs to restrict competition in what web sites we visit. Only the big players will be able to afford access artificially restricting the free market. - Purity: From what I understand this change hinges on the ability to define a broadband ISP as an information service rather than a telecommunication service. I could see an argument here that ISPs are attempting to use a loophole to skirt the law defining the service they provide. If anyone has ideas here I'd love to hear them.
nebabyte 9y ago
> no policy is immutable, after all - congress can preclude future congresses from revisiting issues - policies can become so entrenched as 'precedent' that they're seen as the 'right way' to do things our entire system is built against changing. That's why you don't see successful article V reform

jslampe 9y ago

Like the channel 4 news gang, our good friends at Demand Progress have officially re-assembled the ol' gang to relaunch, "Battle for the Net" (www.battleforthenet.com), today. This is the same team that helped spearhead the 2015 campaign that successfully changed Chairman Wheeler's mind to protect the Internet as a Utility. They've already collected over 800 startup signatures (including our own) and is now gearing up for an intense war with Trump's administration and the ISP heavyweights.... again.

zanny 9y ago

Vote and campaign in your next election for a candidate you believe in, send letters to your representatives to not vote for anti-net-neutrality legislation, and donate to the EFF. The petition.org thing is useless. Like the other poster said, though, these are the consequences of last novembers election. You won't undo what is happening now. You can just participate to stop it from happening again and reverse the course to the best of your ability in the future.

ilaksh 9y ago

Support true democracy over representative government. Or ideas that have evolved beyond democracy. See http://reddit.com/r/rad_decentralization http://reddit.com/r/rad_decentralization, http://reddit.com/r/polycentric_law http://reddit.com/r/polycentric_law, http://reddit.com/r/ethereum http://reddit.com/r/ethereum.

s73ver 9y ago

Call your Congressional representation, for starters. Another thing you can do is pressure your state legislature to reinstate the rules, similar to what some states did after Congress voted to remove ISP privacy rules.

orthecreedence 9y ago

Support anyone who wants to get rid of FPTP voting and introduce a more representative voting system (ranked choice, for example). Right now, people have to vote for the least of two shitty candidates. Instead, we could vote for the ones who represent us the most without worrying about who will actually win. This won't fix corporate corruption, which is the underlying cause of the attack on net neutrality, but it will certainly make representatives more beholden to their voters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI