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The 6 million number was a best-efforts estimate at the time. It is not guaranteed to be precisely correct. (This is one of the very few talking points used by

The 6 million number was a best-efforts estimate at the time. It is not guaranteed to be precisely correct. (This is one of the very few talking points used by antisemitic asses that might actually be valid.)

jim-jim-jim 9y ago
WHO ARE THE MISSING MILLION?? could actually fit well within one of those well-artifacted .jpeg collages of Holocaust denial "evidence."
- coliveira 9y ago
  True, their attempts to find the 6 million names fits very well into the hands of the denialist camp. For people not aware, 6 is a magical/religious number for the jews, so they have always talked about 6 million deaths without clear evidence of how many really died (maybe more or maybe less, but certainly not exactly 6 million).
  - Papirola 9y ago
    I'm sorry but I'm jewish and I have no idea what you're talking about. Six is a magical/religious number? This is the first time I hear about it. [source needed]
    - jsharf 9y ago
      I'm atheist Jewish and was raised with a conservative upbringing. I can think of at least like 3 different numbers in Judaism that have special meaning, and none of them are 6. I don't remember anything about the number 6. Also confused.
      - avar 9y ago
        I'm about as far from Jewish as you can get, but I do have access to Google & Wikipedia, so in the interest in providing some data for this confusing side-thread: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_symbolism#The_symbolic_values_of_numbers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_symbolism#The_symbolic_... "The number six symbolizes imperfection". No idea if and how that would relate to the six million in relation to the Holocaust. Then if you go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_numerology#Numerical_meaning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_numerology#Numerical_... there's some more details.
  - dmritard96 9y ago
    '6 is a magical/religious number for the jews' - oh really?
  - adrianm 9y ago
    I guess they forgot to teach me that in rabbinical school. I'll bring it up the next time I meet with the Elders of Zion.
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LoSboccacc 9y ago
It was rounded trough years to match number symbolism. Doesn't change the atrocity much and it's somewhat consistent with the records (4.5 million known death) and the estimates (up to ten million) What it does however is it shuts down most attempts of rational discussions and preemptively kill most historians effort to tally the other victims edit: case in point, downvotes
wyager 9y ago
Here is an excellent website that explores, in depth, catastrophic mass deaths in recent history: http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm Indeed, best-effort estimates for the number of Jews killed range from 4-6M, with similar variance wrt actual cause of death (split among starvation, typhus, gassing, military action, etc.). It's very hard to pin down exact numbers. It's unfortunate that the fog of war isn't explored more often in the topical explanations of WWII most people are exposed to; as you stated, it gives ammunition to historical revisionists.
- osullivj 9y ago
  Very interesting site - thanks. But I'm disappointed with its coverage of the Irish Potato Famine. It gives an estimate of 750K. In 1850 Ireland was the most densely populated nation in the world, with 8M. In 1950 there were only 4M. What happened to that population? Yes, many emigrated. But many were starved as a result of British land seizures and government intransigence. More research is needed in this area to counter the dissembling of the Potato Famine Deniers.
ilitirit 9y ago
When I raised this before I was labelled and a holocaust denier, and I'm sure others have experienced this too. I think this is why people like talking about it.

jim-jim-jim 9y ago

WHO ARE THE MISSING MILLION?? could actually fit well within one of those well-artifacted .jpeg collages of Holocaust denial "evidence."

coliveira 9y ago
True, their attempts to find the 6 million names fits very well into the hands of the denialist camp. For people not aware, 6 is a magical/religious number for the jews, so they have always talked about 6 million deaths without clear evidence of how many really died (maybe more or maybe less, but certainly not exactly 6 million).
- Papirola 9y ago
  I'm sorry but I'm jewish and I have no idea what you're talking about. Six is a magical/religious number? This is the first time I hear about it. [source needed]
  - jsharf 9y ago
    I'm atheist Jewish and was raised with a conservative upbringing. I can think of at least like 3 different numbers in Judaism that have special meaning, and none of them are 6. I don't remember anything about the number 6. Also confused.
    - avar 9y ago
      I'm about as far from Jewish as you can get, but I do have access to Google & Wikipedia, so in the interest in providing some data for this confusing side-thread: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_symbolism#The_symbolic_values_of_numbers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_symbolism#The_symbolic_... "The number six symbolizes imperfection". No idea if and how that would relate to the six million in relation to the Holocaust. Then if you go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_numerology#Numerical_meaning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_numerology#Numerical_... there's some more details.
- dmritard96 9y ago
  '6 is a magical/religious number for the jews' - oh really?
- adrianm 9y ago
  I guess they forgot to teach me that in rabbinical school. I'll bring it up the next time I meet with the Elders of Zion.
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LoSboccacc 9y ago

It was rounded trough years to match number symbolism. Doesn't change the atrocity much and it's somewhat consistent with the records (4.5 million known death) and the estimates (up to ten million) What it does however is it shuts down most attempts of rational discussions and preemptively kill most historians effort to tally the other victims edit: case in point, downvotes

wyager 9y ago

Here is an excellent website that explores, in depth, catastrophic mass deaths in recent history: http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm Indeed, best-effort estimates for the number of Jews killed range from 4-6M, with similar variance wrt actual cause of death (split among starvation, typhus, gassing, military action, etc.). It's very hard to pin down exact numbers. It's unfortunate that the fog of war isn't explored more often in the topical explanations of WWII most people are exposed to; as you stated, it gives ammunition to historical revisionists.

osullivj 9y ago
Very interesting site - thanks. But I'm disappointed with its coverage of the Irish Potato Famine. It gives an estimate of 750K. In 1850 Ireland was the most densely populated nation in the world, with 8M. In 1950 there were only 4M. What happened to that population? Yes, many emigrated. But many were starved as a result of British land seizures and government intransigence. More research is needed in this area to counter the dissembling of the Potato Famine Deniers.

ilitirit 9y ago

When I raised this before I was labelled and a holocaust denier, and I'm sure others have experienced this too. I think this is why people like talking about it.