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> My main Thunderbird toolbar has get mail, write new message and quick filtering. It took me perhaps 10 seconds back when I first installed it on this computer

> My main Thunderbird toolbar has get mail, write new message and quick filtering. It took me perhaps 10 seconds back when I first installed it on this computer to hide a couple of other buttons like chat that I don't use myself. That's not how it works. The authors have to take the time to study the situation, talk about it, make hard decisions and cut out features that are useless or barely useful, and have the balls to ship a product with just the right features instead of all the features in an attempt to please everyone. Not the user. It shouldn't be the user who has to waste time and energy trying to figure out how to clean up the UI. That's exactly why people like myself are abandoning software like Thunderbird and moving to simpler, more thought-out stuff. I don't know how much Mozilla cares about people using their product, but that I doubt that's how you get people to use your product.

Silhouette 10y ago
The authors have to take the time to study the situation, talk about it, make hard decisions and cut out features that are useless or barely useful, and have the balls to ship a product with just the right features instead of all the features in an attempt to please everyone. Not the user. You're perfectly entitled to that view, and for someone who holds that view a product like Thunderbird is obviously not a good fit. There are, however, other views, and for someone who doesn't want simple UIs with no flexibility or configurability and doesn't have a problem with spending a few seconds customising something to get a result they are happier with, a product more like Thunderbird is a better fit.
- nkkollaw 10y ago
  I've talked to you before about pretty much the same kind of stuff. We have opposite views. Of course I only talk about personal preference, I'm aware that not everyone sees things the same way I do.
Dylan16807 10y ago
How many new email clients do you install per decade? If you chose a client based on a couple minutes of customization effort then you're almost certainly making an irrational decision. Not to excuse bad UIs that slow down every single navigation, which adds up. But picking toolbar buttons is a one time cost.

Silhouette 10y ago

The authors have to take the time to study the situation, talk about it, make hard decisions and cut out features that are useless or barely useful, and have the balls to ship a product with just the right features instead of all the features in an attempt to please everyone. Not the user. You're perfectly entitled to that view, and for someone who holds that view a product like Thunderbird is obviously not a good fit. There are, however, other views, and for someone who doesn't want simple UIs with no flexibility or configurability and doesn't have a problem with spending a few seconds customising something to get a result they are happier with, a product more like Thunderbird is a better fit.

nkkollaw 10y ago
I've talked to you before about pretty much the same kind of stuff. We have opposite views. Of course I only talk about personal preference, I'm aware that not everyone sees things the same way I do.

Dylan16807 10y ago

How many new email clients do you install per decade? If you chose a client based on a couple minutes of customization effort then you're almost certainly making an irrational decision. Not to excuse bad UIs that slow down every single navigation, which adds up. But picking toolbar buttons is a one time cost.