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What language does not have these kinds of problems? I have encountered them with every programming language.

iopq 9y ago
For example, Rust distinguishes between PartialEq and Eq https://is.gd/kRvoMm https://is.gd/kRvoMm you can't derive Eq (transitive equality) on f64 https://is.gd/FjTcA5 https://is.gd/FjTcA5 but you can derive PartialEq (intransitive equality)
- Safety1stClyde 9y ago
  Unfortunately I do not yet know very much about Rust, but I wasn't referring to the specifics, but to the point that every programming language seems to have quirks and hidden rules.
  - iopq 9y ago
    So just use a programming language with less annoying quirks and hidden rules. Especially when those quirks are issues at compile time, not issues at 3 AM in production. "And I found a whole lot of references to req.randomThing and even some req.randomFunction() calls. I then proceeded to search back through every single middleware function which had run before, to figure out what exactly was going on." In a statically typed languages names are bound at compile time, so you can actually jump to the definition of each name using tooling. A JS tool can only make an educated guess.
    - Safety1stClyde 9y ago
      "I wasn't referring to the specifics, but to the point that every programming language seems to have quirks and hidden rules."
      - iopq 9y ago
        That's just an excuse to say "all programming languages are hard" Which is true, but ultimately useless
        jononor 9y ago
        Not entirely useless. For low risk, use the language you know instead of new ones - they will have yet-to-be-learned gotchas.
narag 9y ago
Which "every programming language" are those?
int_19h 9y ago
Most (all?) languages have such problems, but the quantities of them are not the same in every language.
Daishiman 9y ago
There are certainly huge differences in the number of gotchas different plaforms have. I have been absolutely disappointed by Node's tremendous number of gotchas in deployment and massive complexity of build pipelines needed to get around the inherent issues of the platform. My deployment with Django, for example, have been much simpler to handle.
- Safety1stClyde 9y ago
  For your information: to assess what projects you might be referring to, I clicked on your profile, but your hackernews profile points me to a URL with a broken security certificate belonging to Ukrainians, and even when I bypass the security warnings in the browser, I am sent to a page which gives me the message "404 not found".
  - mattmanser 9y ago
    Hackernewsers was a thing from a few years ago, not his fault it's shut-down.
    - Safety1stClyde 9y ago
      The above message is purely for the person above's information. I have no way of contacting them off this noticeboard, so I wrote a private message to them about that as a reply, and marked it as such with the words "For your information". As far as it being someone's fault, the profile on news.ycombinator.com is editable, so he or she could edit it as they please. What a nuisance it is to continually have to deal with people who misinterpret what other people have written.
crimsonalucard 9y ago
Take for example Elm. Elm has no runtime errors, the concept just does not exist in that universe. That's a whole series of gotchas that don't exist.

iopq 9y ago

For example, Rust distinguishes between PartialEq and Eq https://is.gd/kRvoMm https://is.gd/kRvoMm you can't derive Eq (transitive equality) on f64 https://is.gd/FjTcA5 https://is.gd/FjTcA5 but you can derive PartialEq (intransitive equality)

Safety1stClyde 9y ago
Unfortunately I do not yet know very much about Rust, but I wasn't referring to the specifics, but to the point that every programming language seems to have quirks and hidden rules.
- iopq 9y ago
  So just use a programming language with less annoying quirks and hidden rules. Especially when those quirks are issues at compile time, not issues at 3 AM in production. "And I found a whole lot of references to req.randomThing and even some req.randomFunction() calls. I then proceeded to search back through every single middleware function which had run before, to figure out what exactly was going on." In a statically typed languages names are bound at compile time, so you can actually jump to the definition of each name using tooling. A JS tool can only make an educated guess.
  - Safety1stClyde 9y ago
    "I wasn't referring to the specifics, but to the point that every programming language seems to have quirks and hidden rules."
    - iopq 9y ago
      That's just an excuse to say "all programming languages are hard" Which is true, but ultimately useless
      - jononor 9y ago
        Not entirely useless. For low risk, use the language you know instead of new ones - they will have yet-to-be-learned gotchas.

narag 9y ago

Which "every programming language" are those?

int_19h 9y ago

Most (all?) languages have such problems, but the quantities of them are not the same in every language.

Daishiman 9y ago

There are certainly huge differences in the number of gotchas different plaforms have. I have been absolutely disappointed by Node's tremendous number of gotchas in deployment and massive complexity of build pipelines needed to get around the inherent issues of the platform. My deployment with Django, for example, have been much simpler to handle.

Safety1stClyde 9y ago
For your information: to assess what projects you might be referring to, I clicked on your profile, but your hackernews profile points me to a URL with a broken security certificate belonging to Ukrainians, and even when I bypass the security warnings in the browser, I am sent to a page which gives me the message "404 not found".
- mattmanser 9y ago
  Hackernewsers was a thing from a few years ago, not his fault it's shut-down.
  - Safety1stClyde 9y ago
    The above message is purely for the person above's information. I have no way of contacting them off this noticeboard, so I wrote a private message to them about that as a reply, and marked it as such with the words "For your information". As far as it being someone's fault, the profile on news.ycombinator.com is editable, so he or she could edit it as they please. What a nuisance it is to continually have to deal with people who misinterpret what other people have written.

crimsonalucard 9y ago

Take for example Elm. Elm has no runtime errors, the concept just does not exist in that universe. That's a whole series of gotchas that don't exist.