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Yeah. I've had production experience with node. It's been the single least productive coding environment of my life. When you're taking care of large systems o

Yeah. I've had production experience with node. It's been the single least productive coding environment of my life. When you're taking care of large systems of backend servers, Javascript is pretty far down on the list of languages I'd pick to use. Add to that Node's explicit handling of asynchronous operations instead of just blocking and waiting. Also, it seems to get worse the more code you have. I'm sure it's possible to write really good readable javascript in large codebases, and the same for Node, I just haven't seen it done. Another subject the author brings up is "the ecosystem". Javascript has so many libraries that keeping up with them, their updates, and using them in a canonical way throughout a large codebase is a full-time job for at least one engineer.

cnp 10y ago
> Another subject the author brings up is "the ecosystem". Javascript has so many libraries that keeping up with them, their updates, and using them in a canonical way throughout a large codebase is a full-time job for at least one engineer. I love the language, but this is absolutely true.
- erikpukinskis 10y ago
  Same, and same. It's very research-y. It is an incredible place to work if you treat your development process like research anyway, but if you just want to jam through production cycles I would pick Python or something stable.
  - Daishiman 10y ago
    So, not development?
    - erikpukinskis 10y ago
      I would say research-y development: building with the understanding that some percentage of the time you will be building only to learn. Also, there is a lot of research in design, and I do design and development interleaved. I could carve out slices of that work to call "pure development" or "pure research", but for me, design, engineering, and research are all part of one tightly coupled process. I call that process development for shorthand. Is there a better word?
- jononor 10y ago
  Use https://Greenkeeper.io https://Greenkeeper.io to automatically get PRs on dep changes. Coupled with a good testsuite, it's work very nicely. - happy user

cnp 10y ago

> Another subject the author brings up is "the ecosystem". Javascript has so many libraries that keeping up with them, their updates, and using them in a canonical way throughout a large codebase is a full-time job for at least one engineer. I love the language, but this is absolutely true.

erikpukinskis 10y ago
Same, and same. It's very research-y. It is an incredible place to work if you treat your development process like research anyway, but if you just want to jam through production cycles I would pick Python or something stable.
- Daishiman 10y ago
  So, not development?
  - erikpukinskis 10y ago
    I would say research-y development: building with the understanding that some percentage of the time you will be building only to learn. Also, there is a lot of research in design, and I do design and development interleaved. I could carve out slices of that work to call "pure development" or "pure research", but for me, design, engineering, and research are all part of one tightly coupled process. I call that process development for shorthand. Is there a better word?
jononor 10y ago
Use https://Greenkeeper.io https://Greenkeeper.io to automatically get PRs on dep changes. Coupled with a good testsuite, it's work very nicely. - happy user