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Whenever a new Firefox release drops, my favorite thing to do is to see if this (now ten-year-old) bug [0] is finally fixed. Spoiler: it isn't. This bug (and

by dstaley 10y ago

Whenever a new Firefox release drops, my favorite thing to do is to see if this (now ten-year-old) bug [0] is finally fixed. Spoiler: it isn't. This bug (and many others similar to it) are one of the main reasons I dislike using Firefox. It just feels out of place on macOS. I'm fine with non-native UI elements as long as they're not elements as fundamental as the select dropdown and the right-click menu. Edit: Turns out this bug has been fixed, but only if you have Electrolysis [1] enabled [2]. [0] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=402625 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=402625 [1] https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis [2] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=402625#c32 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=402625#c32

Dylan16807 10y ago
Your standard of quality is whether a web page looks like it's not a web page?
- kuschku 10y ago
  The standard of quality is if you can build applications that behave as if they were native with a browser. Considering stuff like Electron and co, that's not an unusual request.
  - Dylan16807 9y ago
    Do people actually make web pages that try to look native to the OS they're loaded on? That is a lot of effort to reimplement GUI toolkits and I can't think of anything I've seen that does it. I'd say the real way to look native in firefox involves XUL, even if it is getting removed.
    - kuschku 9y ago
      Well, considering the web is replacing native toolkits more and more, there better be, eh? Either you can build something looking native in the web languages, or Electron and co habe failed already.
mannigfaltig 10y ago
http://catb.org/jargon/html/B/bikeshedding.html http://catb.org/jargon/html/B/bikeshedding.html
yborg 10y ago
My favorite thing is coming to the HN threads to read the "tried it out to see if <personal hangup re: obscure app feature 6 people use> is fixed (meaning works the way I want it to work) but it's not, therefore the entire project A SHIT" posts. The fact that this one then acknowledges that the bug is actually fixed if you use the browser in the recommended mode gives it extra points.
- dstaley 10y ago
  Electrolysis isn't enabled by default, so I don't think it qualifies as "the recommended mode". Furthermore, I never said "the entire project is shit". Firefox is a great piece of software, but I don't use it personally because of the issue I mentioned, among other issues in the same category (like the right-click menu looking different compared to other right-click menus, or not integrating with the macOS spell-check system).
  - rvern 10y ago
    Electrolysis has been enabled by default since Firefox 48. Source: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis#Schedule https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis#Schedule.
    - dstaley 10y ago
      > As of Firefox 54+ (early 2017), our Multi-Content process model is currently being tested on Nightly (4 processes). Four content processes will be enabled on 54 Aurora and if stable enough, we will begin to roll it out in Firefox 54 Beta experiments. This seems to be the case because I downloaded Firefox 53 for the first time on my new MacBook Pro and e10s wasn't enabled. I had to go to about:config and enable it manually.
      - xenithorb 9y ago
        You may have an extension blocking it. Get the addon compatability plugin.
      - 9y ago

by dstaley 10y ago

Dylan16807 10y ago

Your standard of quality is whether a web page looks like it's not a web page?

kuschku 10y ago
The standard of quality is if you can build applications that behave as if they were native with a browser. Considering stuff like Electron and co, that's not an unusual request.
- Dylan16807 9y ago
  Do people actually make web pages that try to look native to the OS they're loaded on? That is a lot of effort to reimplement GUI toolkits and I can't think of anything I've seen that does it. I'd say the real way to look native in firefox involves XUL, even if it is getting removed.
  - kuschku 9y ago
    Well, considering the web is replacing native toolkits more and more, there better be, eh? Either you can build something looking native in the web languages, or Electron and co habe failed already.

mannigfaltig 10y ago

http://catb.org/jargon/html/B/bikeshedding.html http://catb.org/jargon/html/B/bikeshedding.html

yborg 10y ago

My favorite thing is coming to the HN threads to read the "tried it out to see if <personal hangup re: obscure app feature 6 people use> is fixed (meaning works the way I want it to work) but it's not, therefore the entire project A SHIT" posts. The fact that this one then acknowledges that the bug is actually fixed if you use the browser in the recommended mode gives it extra points.

dstaley 10y ago
Electrolysis isn't enabled by default, so I don't think it qualifies as "the recommended mode". Furthermore, I never said "the entire project is shit". Firefox is a great piece of software, but I don't use it personally because of the issue I mentioned, among other issues in the same category (like the right-click menu looking different compared to other right-click menus, or not integrating with the macOS spell-check system).
- rvern 10y ago
  Electrolysis has been enabled by default since Firefox 48. Source: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis#Schedule https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis#Schedule.
  - dstaley 10y ago
    > As of Firefox 54+ (early 2017), our Multi-Content process model is currently being tested on Nightly (4 processes). Four content processes will be enabled on 54 Aurora and if stable enough, we will begin to roll it out in Firefox 54 Beta experiments. This seems to be the case because I downloaded Firefox 53 for the first time on my new MacBook Pro and e10s wasn't enabled. I had to go to about:config and enable it manually.
    - xenithorb 9y ago
      You may have an extension blocking it. Get the addon compatability plugin.
    - 9y ago