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Juicero May Be Feeling the Squeeze
- jlebrech 9y agowhy not have a bag of preselected fruit (unjuiced), you attach it to the juicer which has a fan to keep it from pulverising the plastic, and the fan stops when the blade has fully stopped spinning. and then you just have to wash the blade.
- magic_beans 9y agoYou better patent that. Actually... I CALL IT. No take-backsies.
- trevyn 9y agoThat is, in fact, pretty much how the first-to-file US patent system works today.
- tdeck 9y agoI don't understand this product at all. If you're willing to buy a pack of prepared juice, why not just buy a bottle of juice instead?
- DiffEq 9y agoLike a V8...this product is for hipsters.
- spitfire 9y agoWealth signalling I presume. The bottle of juice wouldn't let you discard a capri-sun package full of squeeze fruit husks. This lets people know you're wealthy enough to not care about excess.
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- makomk 9y agoYeah, as far as I could tell this is more expensive, less convenient, and harder to obtain than juice bottles, takes up more space, and the consumables have about the same shelf life or shorter. Bizarre product. (Also, since it requires an internet connection to check if the juice packs are valid, if the internet goes down and you decide that's a good time to take a juice break...)
- kozak 9y agoTo be fair, that "internet goes down" aspect can be mitigated in software by pushing IDs of the packages that were ordered for your account to the machine as soon as they are known.
- nisse72 9y agoWhy not simply encode the expiry date itself into the qr codes, then just decode that using software on the device. Even better, stamp a human readable date on the package like every other grocery product. Oh but then they couldn't track your usage and juicing habits! And you'd have to be able to read or something.
- ghaff 9y agoFurthermore, I admittedly mostly use fruit but tossing what I need into a blender is not a big deal. A lot of what you need is in the supermarket freezer section these days. And if that's too much work, there are (of course) smoothie ingredient subscription services. https://www.wellandgood.com/good-food/daily-harvest-vs-green-blender-how-two-new-smoothie-delivery-companies-measure-up/ https://www.wellandgood.com/good-food/daily-harvest-vs-green...
- bgutierrez 9y agoI read that vitamins in juice break down over time rather quickly. Juicero is supposed to be as fresh as possible, and therefore be nutritious and taste better than anything in a bottle. I can't speak to the actual differences, though. I'm not really a juice person unless rum or tequila is involved.
- doubleunplussed 9y agoSure, their juice is fresh, so it's better than most non fresh bottled juice. But you can buy bottles of fresh juice. It goes bad fast, but so do these bags of juice. I'm really not seeing how this product is anything but a con to take advantage of people who don't realise that a well marketed solution isn't necessarily better than what you already had.
- nommm-nommm 9y agoI can't imagine finely chopped/pulverized fruits/veggies lose vitiman content any slower than juiced fruits/veggies.
- thisisdave 9y agoThey claimed (or at least implied) that you'd be buying something closer to raw hunks of fruit and vegetables in the bag, so it would be fresh.
- pablobaz 9y agoSurely what they need is some way it can be consumed straight from the pack?
- film42 9y agoI bet you could also use a straw and drink it right out of the pouch!
- magic_beans 9y agoThat's honestly a good enough idea already, especially if the pouch was recyclable. Then the straw could be metal (reusable) with a pointy end to pierce the pouch. Boom, solid business to have 10 of these pouches delivered weekly.
- cowpewter 9y agoHipster CapriSun?
- pdog 9y agoWhat do the contents of a juice pack look like prior to juicing? As far as I know, it's not possible to manually extract meaningful amounts of juice from leafy greens or root vegetables (e.g., spinach, romaine, kale, beets, ginger) so the ingredients must be processed before going into the packs.
- nommm-nommm 9y agoYeah, I'm surprised they didn't cut one open to exam the contents. That being said, I think a rolling pin would probably work on leafy greens.
- woobar 9y agoQuote from another article (with some pics): Juicero workers receive truckloads of produce from nearby organic farms, triple-wash it, then chop it into specific shapes. A specialized machine then fills each pack, ready to be shipped. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/03/business/juicero-juice-system-silicon-valley-interest.html?_r=0 https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/03/business/juicero-juice-sy... Customer(?) with an open bag: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cfj8DI-UEAAGi5F.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cfj8DI-UEAAGi5F.jpg
- jlebrech 9y agothis sounds like what lexmark do (used to do?) with printer cartridges, most of the electronics in the cartridge and you have to buy a new cartridge costing more than the original printer with a half full cartridge.
- nommm-nommm 9y agoWow, I can't even... this is comedy gold: >four tons of force >delivered weekly >QR code >online database >patent-pending >400 custom parts >scanner >microprocessor >wireless chip >wireless antenna >revolutionary machine >subscription model >“platform” for ... food delivery, Guys, we are talking about a juicer here.
- gvb 9y agoIts the "unix toaster" of the 21st century although, to be fair to the unix toaster, at least DRM was not one of its requirements. http://www.danielsen.com/jokes/objecttoaster.txt http://www.danielsen.com/jokes/objecttoaster.txt
- ceejayoz 9y ago> Guys, we are talking about a juicer here. It's not even that! It's literally just a $400 machine to squeeze out the contents of a bag. It comes pre-juiced in the packets!
- aresant 9y ago"Reporters were able to wring 7.5 ounces of juice in a minute and a half. The machine yielded 8 ounces in about two minutes. . . The company sells produce packs for $5 to $8 . . ." - So the machine is 6%, give or take, more efficient than hand. If I'm serving two juices a day during weekdays for me and spouse at average cost of $6.5/unit that's $0.78/day, $3.90/week, say I do this 50 weeks a year so $195 in juice recovery value (JRV) by using the machine :). - Also saves the household example above 3 minutes of time a day by using machine. Let's say average household who can afford $8 packets of juice is in the $100k/yr club at least so time value (for sale) of $50/hr gives me an efficiency gain of 750 minutes or $625/year in Juicer Time Return (JTR). Using machine provides one year JRV of $195 and a JTR of $625 = $820 Product cost is $400. FOLKS you are DOUBLING YOUR MONEY!
- DerpyBaby123 9y agoI know you're being facetious, but the machine is actually slower than doing it by hand.
- smlacy 9y agoAnd much, much louder.
- jerryszczerry 9y agoDepends on the human.
- aresant 9y agoThe machine takes no time though - eg 2 min of machine time is zero human cost time :)
- marcosdumay 9y agoI was sure you were joking at the GP, now I'm not sure anymore :) You mean, I go out and get a machine, something that will take constant handling at home, and waste some precious space, so it can make juice. And as a bonus, it's slower than the no-machine alternative (so it will make me wait). And I didn't even come into the cost of finding their brand of juice for buying, instead of any other one. I did never hear about this company before, but I'm surely not becoming their client.
- kozak 9y agoWell, maybe it's even better than the original concept: now you can consume the product even if you don't have the hardware. As long as the juice is good - why not. They just need to start selling their juice packs to those who don't own the device.
- untog 9y agoYes, but they're also out $400 on every customer. And those customers can now very easily switch to a different juice provider without losing any "investment" they made in hardware. I can't find any info on their site about subscription pricing (always a red flag) but this whole thing seems absurdly stupid. I'd be amazed if they managed to scale this in such a way that shipping refrigerated juice to individual customers is more affordable than people picking it up in the store/receiving it with their normal grocery order.
- DoctorNick 9y agoThe juice bags are DRM'd (yes, seriously): http://boingboing.net/2017/03/15/a-juicer-that-wont-make-juic.html http://boingboing.net/2017/03/15/a-juicer-that-wont-make-jui...
- kesselvon 9y agocan they DRM your hands?
- TillE 9y agoSo what's actually inside the packs, very fine bits of wet plant matter? Is there any real benefit of this over just selling bottles of fancy juice?
- Semiapies 9y agoThat's a fine question.
- victor22 9y agoBecause you can't eventually DRM a bottle.
- PKop 9y agoSure, but from the customer's perspective, why is this product necessary?
- HenryBemis 9y agoI was thinking (in all seriousness from anyone around that had used this product), how on earth is that healthier than eating or squeezing 2-3 oranges? Apart from the convenience. Do those bags really maintain the vitamins etc or is it just a "healthy alternative to soft drinks"?
- victor22 9y agoI've searched, and they don't have an answer. Not even in their FAQ. They just say "pressed by us" or "cold pressed juice" but never elaborate.
- distances 9y agoThe same thing I was left wondering. What's the point here with $400 machine and juices 5-8 dollars per serving? I'm sure they could get some thousands of users, but how on earth could this be worth such a large investment?
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- dreamcompiler 9y ago"The New York franchise drew rave reviews from the likes of Gwyneth Paltrow." This is absolutely not a phrase I would want to see in an article about my startup.
- protomyth 9y agoIf you are intending to sell your startup, I can see it being quite helpful.
- dragonwriter 9y agoGwyneth Paltrow is an important influencer in the target market for an organic juice-as-a-service startup, so it makes a whole lot of sense as a positive thing for this startup. Obviously, less useful for startups in other markets.
- magic_beans 9y agoYou've never heard of Goop? Gwyneth Paltrow is HUGE. People buy the things she recommends, simple as that. You might not, but there's several armies' worth of gym-going, juice-drinking women who hang onto her every word.
- dreamcompiler 9y agoIf I was starting a business just to make money, I'd love to have Paltrow's endorsement. But I'm not wired that way. I value integrity and science too much -- probably to my financial detriment.
- dpflan 9y ago"Two investors in Juicero were surprised to learn the startup’s juice packs could be squeezed by hand without using its high-tech machine." This sounds almost comical...
- personjerry 9y agoI really hope a reference to that makes it to season 4 of HBO's Silicon Valley
- baron816 9y agoIt's probably too late. I'm sure they've filmed the whole thing already.
- Pigo 9y agoI was pouring through my mental rolodex for the episode where they do something with a juicer. I'd never heard of this Juicero but thought it sounded like something Jian Yang would be in charge of.
- creaghpatr 9y agoJuicers have a small episode arc in "The Empty Chair" ! I forget the exact line but it has something to do with "why does he have 2 juicers" http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/silicon-valley-almost-painfully-eager-get-back-for-236800 http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/silicon-valley-almost-painfully...
- patmcguire 9y agoThey've mentioned in past interviews some things too ridiculous to include. This might be one. > Teller ended the meeting by standing up in a huff, but his attempt at a dramatic exit was marred by the fact that he was wearing Rollerblades. He wobbled to the door in silence. “Then there was this awkward moment of him fumbling with his I.D. badge, trying to get the door to open,” Kemper said. “It felt like it lasted an hour. We were all trying not to laugh. Even while it was happening, I knew we were all thinking the same thing: Can we use this?” In the end, the joke was deemed “too hacky to use on the show.” http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/how-silicon-valley-nails-silicon-valley http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/how-silicon-va...
- grabcocque 9y ago$120m from investors none of whom were aware you don't need a $400 machine to squeeze the juice from fruit? How do people with so little sense get so much money?
- omginternets 9y agoBecause they sell to people with more money than sense.
- reustle 9y agoLike the Campbell Soup company, for example: https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/juicero/investors https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/juicero/investors
- dragonwriter 9y agoIs that a reference to the investors they are selling too, or the target market of the product? Because I can see that working either way.
- zilchers 9y agoI'm not bothered by the fact that these guys got investment, it's an interesting idea and could have been a great kickstarter. But, $120 mil is a staggering amount for a company like this that should have relatively small startup costs.
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- adamnemecek 9y agoNever change sv
- sjg007 9y agoIt would have been better if it was revealed in a plot point on Silicon Valley.
- drspacemonkey 9y agoI'm still trying to figure out if this is a viral marketing campaign for season 4.
- crygin 9y agoHuh, I wonder if this was just with certain juice bags, or if they generally pulverize the materials in the bags to make it easier to squeeze. I can easily see this for berries, citrus, etc, but it seems less likely for beets, kale, and other hardier vegetables. Regardless, their actual market has always been restaurants and offices that want to have juice without a mess or someone who knows how to make it, and that seems less impacted, if perhaps less appealing to their investors.
- maxerickson 9y agoThe bags don't have anything other than juice in them. edit: Or maybe finely chopped stuff. Unclear. I would think they wouldn't bother putting stuff like orange pulp in the bags though.
- kesselvon 9y agobut if you can squeeze the juice by hand, its just juice. They're selling a $400 machine that squeezes a packet for you. Life imitates art i guess
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- stevenwoo 9y agoIt says it has chopped raw vegetables and fruits in the packets. They would need to add fruits with lots of juice to compensate for vegetables that need more liquid to be juiced fully like beets or carrots.
- magic_beans 9y agoIn the video, we see a reporter squeezing green juice out of a bag. Presumably pre-pureed kale or spinach.
- mankash666 9y agoIs this the trailer for season 4 of HBO's silicon valley? It sure could be
- wyldfire 9y ago> Juicero declined to comment. A person close to the company said Juicero is aware the packs can be squeezed by hand but that most people would prefer to use the machine because the process is more consistent and less messy. "We kinda didn't think about this much because the real money is in the packets anyways. This stuff is way better than ink cartridges."
- shimon 9y agoTrue, but the proprietary tech in the machine was supposed to be a form of defensible advantage for this business. If the product value comes entirely from chopping and delivering vegetables in a bag, it wouldn't be hard for others to replicate.
- wyldfire 9y agoHello, darkness my old friend. The analogies to Keurig won't stop here -- next up, DRM juice packs.
- proaralyst 9y agoSounds like they already have that: the machine reads QR codes and compares them to an online service for expiry/recall. Not many steps to validity.
- nommm-nommm 9y agoAlready done. >The device also reads a QR code printed on the back of each produce pack and checks the source against an online database to ensure the contents haven’t expired or been recalled, the person said.
- Pigo 9y agoI really hate what those machines have done to coffee. It's difficult to explain to people at work, family, and friends how they paid a premium to be overcharged and produce extra waste without coming off like a jerk. I miss getting up from my machine and filling my mug with a regular coffee pot.
- programminggeek 9y agoSometimes the real customer is investors willing to give millions to an idea and the real product is a company that looks investable.
- afandian 9y agoThat looks like a waste nightmare. > The only element not recyclable by municipal methods are the Packs themselves > Request a prepaid shipping label from by clicking the “Get Started” button below. We will then collect the Packs... https://www.terracycle.com/en-US/brigades/juicero https://www.terracycle.com/en-US/brigades/juicero
- illegalsmile 9y agoIsn't it though? On top of not only the waste you have the waste of shipping/transportation. > Step One: Cut off the bottom section of the Pack and remove the pulp > Step Two: Rinse the Pack. > Step Three: Set the Pack aside until you’re ready to recycle. > Step Four: MAIL THEM IN Request a prepaid shipping label from by clicking the “Get Started” button below. At this point I'm better off not only saving money, packaging and associated shipping pitfalls but saving time by simply juicing everything myself at home and buying produce when I make my regular trips to the grocery store.
- jrowley 9y agoThe worst part is that if a pack is too old, the machine won't squeeze it for you! So people just throw them out. That's how my friend figured out you can just squeeze them by hand.
- mikeash 9y ago"The only element not recyclable is literally the entire actual product." I love how companies word things.
- HenryBemis 9y agoCommon sense is not so common any more. Marketing does a great job on pointing out that great big nothing and people recite the marketing material without any critical thinking.
- rblatz 9y agoI think this waste/recycling thing is more of a SV/HN concern. Keurig tried to introduce a recyclable pod, called the Vue when their previous patent expired for k-cups. Seems to be a massive failure. Also HelloFresh and Blue Apron seem to get brought up a lot here for being hard to recycle and generaring a lot of trash, dozens of people I know have used these services and not one has mentioned the trash issue.
- illegalsmile 9y agoCan someone solve the added waste and transportation problem these companies (Juicero, Blue Apron, etc...) have created by using home deliveries and lots of specialty packaging? Yes, some perishable food delivery services offer recycling but you're still left with the transportation issue.
- mikeash 9y agoThe waste and transportation is easy to solve: just don't use these companies. Go back to the old-fashioned way of obtaining your food from the store. The real problem would need solving (and I'm not sure it really does, because how popular are these things, really?) is people's desire for these wasteful services.
- magic_beans 9y agoI kind of wish stores would just sell pre-cut vegetables. There HAS to be a way to do this en masse. The pre-cut kale at whole foods is almost ALWAYS sold out. Not to speak of the cauliflower "rice" that people actually battle over at Trader Joes. If stores stocked these kinds of pre-cut veg, that would take 3/4 of the pain out of cooking.
- nkrisc 9y agoMy local mid-range grocery store sells peeled garlic, containers of chopped onions and other vegetables and fruits. It's great for people who want to save time or lack the dexterity to do it easily on their own. I personally don't buy them because I can and don't mind doing it myself.
- maxerickson 9y agoI'm sad they didn't test how fast they could empty the juice container with the aid of scissors. It's also unfortunate that a ridiculous, overpriced, bag squeezing machine keeps getting the charitable label "juicer".
- softwarefounder 9y agoThis whole thing sounds like a sitcom parody.
- everling 9y ago$400 for a machine that in the end doesn't give you freshly squeezed juice? I think a lot of the appeal from squeezing fruit juice is using actual pieces of fruit.
- nommm-nommm 9y agoIt's apparently "single-serving packets of chopped fruits and vegetables"
- jjeaff 9y agoBut I think that's the crux of the matter, although the article fails to hit the nail on the head. The marketing was completely misleading. The bags seem to be filled with prepared, liquid juice. You don't need a machine because they are just sending out Capri sun bags of juice. The machine is just a lie to make you think something is being prepared fresh.
- aarpmcgee 9y agokeurig for juice? this is not what the world needs. http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/04/news/k-cups-keurig-inventor-regrets/ http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/04/news/k-cups-keurig-inventor-...
- aloisdg 9y ago"He owned a cup which served also has a bowl for food but threw it away when he saw a boy drinking water from his hands and realized one did not even need a cup to sustain oneself."
- magic_beans 9y agoIs that from the biography of Rob Rhinehart?
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- cmdrfred 9y agoThis isn't a juicer as much as a juice dispenser.
- 6stringmerc 9y agoAnybody else get flashbacks to the Tom Hanks movie Big where using the mentality of a kid renders all the focus group and marketing analytic charts, well, kind of irrelevant. "Who wants to play with a building?" correlates to "Why don't I just squeeze this weird Capri-Sun pack thingy into the cup?" pretty nicely to me. Neat to see this, kind of humorous in a non-catastrophic way. It's not like the machine catches fire or explodes. This is...just life.
- reacharavindh 9y agoIn some sense, this is an example of Natural Selection in Silicon valley. Idiots get weeded out after wasting some VC money. Part of me feels amused by this.
- simias 9y agoIt's the first time I hear about this product but as someone who likes fermenting vegetables this part surprised me: >We finish by sealing the produce (completely raw and never pasteurized) into our Packs, which get shipped to your door the day they're made. Wouldn't raw, unpasteurized chopped fruits and vegetable start fermenting very quickly in those packs? Are they shipped refrigerated? This entire thing is so weird to me. Those packs cost around $6 each and they only produce a small glass of juice. This is less cost effective than some hipster juice bars, and at least here you don't have to clean the glass afterwards. Buying a good juicer sounds like a much better investment, although admittedly they're probably more painful to wash up. EDIT: after some more digging up, it turns out that the packs are delivered refrigerated. On top of that the machine will refuse to juice expired or any kind of 3rd party packs and apparently needs an internet connection and a smartphone app to function. Preposterous. Here's the getting started video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i0UugILBJg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i0UugILBJg Step 1: open the box Step 2: plug in the juicer Step 3: sign up to your juicero account through the smartphone app Honestly if you had shown me this video 2 hours ago I'd have assumed satire.
- haldean 9y agoThey are shipped refrigerated; that's why they're limited to only a handful of states. From the article: > The products were only available in three states until Tuesday, when the company expanded to 17. Packs can’t be shipped long distances because the contents are perishable.
- djrogers 9y agoI'm also very skeptical that raw chopped vegetables can be hand squeezed in to juice. Given that the packets can be squeezed by had in to juice, that leads me to believe that the vegetables are not as unprocessed as Juicero would like me to believe. Lemme try this - I'll chop up a bunch of spinach, kale, and carrots, place them in a reinforced bag, and squeeze them by hand. Yeah - that's not gonna give me juice...
- praseodym 9y agoI was wondering about that as well and found an article [1] that has pictures of an opened packet as well as after juicing [2]. To me it looks like the produce is chopped very fine, maybe a little like produce that has gone through a blender for a few seconds. [1] http://www.businessinsider.sg/juicer-juicer-product-review-2016-4/ http://www.businessinsider.sg/juicer-juicer-product-review-2... [2] https://static-ssl.businessinsider.com/image/5710e74c91058422008bcd3a-960-720/heres-a-before-and-after-shot-of-the-produce.jpg https://static-ssl.businessinsider.com/image/5710e74c9105842...
- sergiotapia 9y agoA "juice luminary" - Silicon Valley writes itself!
- ghaff 9y agoThen there's this $1500 toaster oven. https://juneoven.com/the-oven https://juneoven.com/the-oven In all fairness, most of the reviews are fairly positive. Though this takedown is pretty hilarious: https://www.fastcodesign.com/3065667/this-1500-toaster-oven-is-everything-thats-wrong-with-silicon-valley-design https://www.fastcodesign.com/3065667/this-1500-toaster-oven-...
- colourincorrect 9y agoBut... what is the point of a juicer if the contents you are juicing are already liquid? I am in a state of panic right now because I cannot fathom how a group of people thought this was a good enough idea long enough for them to develop a final product. What????
- nommm-nommm 9y agoThey say it's "single-serving packets of chopped fruits and vegetables" not juice.
- haldean 9y ago...but there's no way that you can generate enough force with just your hands to turn chopped fruit into liquid, though. It must be mostly-liquid already for that to work, right?
- jjeaff 9y agoYa, that's the real point. They are lying. If anything, it's full of pre-juiced chopped fruits and vegetables.
- nommm-nommm 9y agoYeah so I don't know what's going on. For some bizarre reason they didn't cut one open before squeezing. So we don't know.
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- jbverschoor 9y agohilarious
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- TaylorGood 9y agoConvenience at the hospitality level makes sense. That said, there is room for a squeezer with 396 less parts in sub-$200 range that provides empty open-top squeeze funnel bags. Allowing end user or companies to fill and dispense whatever..
- winteriscoming 9y ago>> an internet-connected device that transforms single-serving packets of chopped fruits and vegetables into a refreshing and healthy beverage. Wow, internet connected? I just can't understand this craze to connect anything and everything to internet.
- HenryBemis 9y ago"we want to know EVERYTHING about you", what you do, eat, drink, watched (smartTVs getting screenshots), listened (see BOSE article), make love (iCon), self-satisfy (iVibrate - or whatever it was called), when did you use the toilet (formerly known as "playing angry birds for 10mins) and this is the main purpose of IoT devices.. Looks like people/companies don't focus on how to solve a problem and make money from the solution but more like how they can get into our homes and monetize on the activities recorded.
- skizm 9y agoAlright, someone needs to make a hand cranked version of the juicer now. You could probably 3D print one on the cheap and open source the specs.
- pascalxus 9y agoThis is what happens when all the most important innovation is illegal (housing, health, and transportation) and increasing shares of income goes to the top 0.01%. Innovators run out of real things to innovate on, and start creating 400$ bags of juice. You should Look forward to seeing more of this in the coming decades.
- beaconstudios 9y agoThe single most "Silicon Valley is a bubble" paragraph I've ever seen: Doug Evans, the company’s founder, would compare himself with Steve Jobs in his pursuit of juicing perfection. He declared that his juice press wields four tons of force—“enough to lift two Teslas,” he said. Google’s venture capital arm and other backers poured about $120 million into the startup. Juicero sells the machine for $400, plus the cost of individual juice packs delivered weekly. Tech blogs have dubbed it a “Keurig for juice.” I've got bingo!
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- heifetz 9y agohow much value do the venture capitalists add?
- michael_h 9y ago'He said the company is a “platform” for a new model of food delivery, where fresh fruits and veggies are delivered regularly to the home' For the past five years, I have gotten a box of fresh fruits and veggies delivered every Monday. The produce is organic, often local, always tasty, the box they come in is reusable, and it doesn't have DRM (that I'm aware of). Edit: “Williams, a self-proclaimed health-food evangelist, said she’d like to see the company sell packs by themselves to people who can’t afford the device” Can't spare $400 for the device? How about $5-$8 for 8 oz of fresh juice? Make sure to put it into a paper cup with a lid and a straw so we can maximize the amount of waste generated (along with the juice packet).
- Yetanfou 9y agoI'll offer a brief glimpse into the future. Juicero, burnt by the ease at which consumers rob them of potential revenue poaches someone away from the likes of HP or Gillette. That someone comes up with the perfect solution: add a coded valve to the juice bags which only opens when it has been inserted in a licensed Juicero machine. The added advantage is that the machine can refuse to squeeze more juice out of a bag which has been in the machine for more than X days, all for your protection of course. Next thing consumers take knives to the bags to circumvent the coded valves. Bags are reinforced. Consumers use better knives. Bags are made double-walled with some nasty tasting/coloured liquid in between the two walls, all for your protection. Next step is Juicero goes bankrupt, consumers are left with useless machines which end up on flea markets or landfills. Rinse. Repeat. Me? I just eat an apple, an orange or a banana. My daughter prefers to put them through the blender first and calls it a smoothie. Takes all of a few minutes and works with apples and oranges and bananas from any source.
- dpflan 9y agoIndeed! And at the $400 price point you could purchase a superb blender or a good one and save $ (blender drawbacks may be the cleaning and grocery shopping when viewed as customer for Juicero who is contemplating switching) but it's far more versatile beyond the context of just consuming produce in liquid or near-liquid/smoothie form.
- manigandham 9y agoJuicero also wants people to wash out and mail back used juice packs so it's not really a savings either.
- roymurdock 9y agoYou should consider applying for an operations role at Juicero - the double-walled solution was truly a nice touch. On another note, Juicero doesn't care what you or your daughter do to make juice, because you were never meant to buy a Juicero. It's a safe bet that their strategy was to sell B2B to large corporations and into the high-end hospitality industry (hotels, cruise ships, colleges) rather than B2C. I'm sure they extrapolated some crazy TAM/SAM/SOM for the B2B amenities market based on Keurig's success and used it to score an easy $120m.
- panglott 9y agoWas wondering why not just use a hand-operated lever press, like the sort of low-tech cast-iron device you might find on an old farmhouse. Then realized this was the concept for the hipster Juicero.
- Animats 9y agoThe thing used to cost $700.[1] $400 is the new, lower price. [1] http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/17/14296530/juicero-juicer-price-cut-after-ceo-shakeup http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/17/14296530/juicero-juicer-pr...
- power78 9y agoThese guys must have sold investors hard for Google to put 120 million into this. Maybe there is an angle here I'm not seeing.
- RyanCavanaugh 9y agoI'm waiting for the part where we find out the contents of the packets are from bottles of Odwalla purchased at the local grocery store.
- makmanalp 9y agoI'm surprised to see google ventures in here: https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/juicero https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/juicero Anyone have better knowledge of these VC firms?
- Const-me 9y agoCan't they replace online database with asymmetric cryptography in that QR code? This way a machine can validate manufacturing date even offline, i.e. more reliably.
- dingo_bat 9y agoBut then how do they recall contaminated pouches?
- Const-me 9y agoDepends. If it’s contaminated ‘coz expired, it’s doable. Many devices have accurate real-time clocks even offline, e.g. GPS. It’s easy to include the expiry date in that cryptographically-signed data. BTW, Kerberos protocol does similar things with their timestamps. If however it’s contaminated just because the producer decided to recall a batch of their product, then yes, a centralized server is a good choice.
- manigandham 9y agoJuicero also expects customers to cut open the juice packs, trash/compost the pulp, wash them out, then ship them back in a box for recycling. It's more work than just using a blender. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i0UugILBJg&t=1m53s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i0UugILBJg&t=1m53s