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Very few. I think it's much more a matter of job culture and a bit of red queen (useless arms race) competition that has brought on this situation. Probably wit

by Grustaf 10y ago

Very few. I think it's much more a matter of job culture and a bit of red queen (useless arms race) competition that has brought on this situation. Probably with a sprinkling of politicians wanting to be able to say that "in my country 50% of high school students go on to university" when they hob nob at international conferences. In almost all white collar jobs the apprenticeship model would work just fine, but that doesn't work well when people want to change jobs every few years. It's not that most desk jobs are actually harder to learn that most skilled manual labor jobs.

randomdata 10y ago
The litmus test is pretty straightforward: Will the law come down on you if you do the job without a degree? If yes, the job requires it. Otherwise, it does not.
komali2 10y ago
>the most elite companies in the valley have discovered correctly that remote work doesn't work That's extraordinarily presumptive. Is IBM and a handful of others gods of all things HR? Why? There's conflicting data on both sides of the table, IBM just went with one choice over another. Recently, by the way, so we don't even know it's going to work. Furthermore, there's a strong argument that the move was an easy way to achieve layoffs, which kind of nullifies the "IBM is big and smart and so they switched because remote work doesn't work" argument. Finally, I'm not even sure some of these companies you're describing as elite (I'm assuming you mean "companies in the bay area we've all heard of that don't do remote work") are universally regarded as elite. And how do you account for the actual bay area giants that do allow for it, such as Google?
- dhimes 10y ago
  Good point. Didn't Yahoo abandon remote work as soon as Mayer took over?
  - matwood 10y ago
    Depending on who you talk to, this was either a ploy to do a non-layoff layoff, or since all the good people had already left the people still at Yahoo were just cashing paychecks. It didn't matter if they were in the office or not. Pointing to the burning, foreclosed house is not a very accurate way to draw conclusions about the whole neighborhood.

by Grustaf 10y ago

randomdata 10y ago

The litmus test is pretty straightforward: Will the law come down on you if you do the job without a degree? If yes, the job requires it. Otherwise, it does not.

komali2 10y ago

>the most elite companies in the valley have discovered correctly that remote work doesn't work That's extraordinarily presumptive. Is IBM and a handful of others gods of all things HR? Why? There's conflicting data on both sides of the table, IBM just went with one choice over another. Recently, by the way, so we don't even know it's going to work. Furthermore, there's a strong argument that the move was an easy way to achieve layoffs, which kind of nullifies the "IBM is big and smart and so they switched because remote work doesn't work" argument. Finally, I'm not even sure some of these companies you're describing as elite (I'm assuming you mean "companies in the bay area we've all heard of that don't do remote work") are universally regarded as elite. And how do you account for the actual bay area giants that do allow for it, such as Google?

dhimes 10y ago
Good point. Didn't Yahoo abandon remote work as soon as Mayer took over?
- matwood 10y ago
  Depending on who you talk to, this was either a ploy to do a non-layoff layoff, or since all the good people had already left the people still at Yahoo were just cashing paychecks. It didn't matter if they were in the office or not. Pointing to the burning, foreclosed house is not a very accurate way to draw conclusions about the whole neighborhood.