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HD display and movies, 5MP camera, increased battery life, folders and multitasking, gyroscope... I have all this on the Nexus One and that is a 6 months old ph

HD display and movies, 5MP camera, increased battery life, folders and multitasking, gyroscope... I have all this on the Nexus One and that is a 6 months old phone. I think this WWDC is signing the end of an era: jobs has lost his famous innovative advantage and now he is running behind. Android/HTC had these features in their last generation phones and with EVO coming out they are going to make the iPhone 4 obsolete already.

george_morgan 16y ago
The iPhone has never had the competitive advantage based on it’s feature count.
- crocowhile 16y ago
  It's not matter of features count. It's matter of innovative features. Hardly anything innovative in this product.
  - Daishiman 16y ago
    Why is the parent being downvoted? It's true! This are just evolutionary improvements for some things and playing catch-up with others. Doesn't stop it from being a great product, but it's not the aweomest thing Steve wants you to believe.
    - jodrellblank 16y ago
      In what way isn't it awesome? It's faster, smaller, brighter, screenier, cameraier, videoier, batterier, storagier, more sensor laden, better looking, and runs better more useful software. I agree that it's not spouting a coffee filter and electric razor, but strongly disagree that you can step to "not innovative" "meh, useless catchup". One part of not being measured at features/$ checklist is not being measured at -$ per lack of never seen before feature. You've seen the Netflix announcement, now take a look at this: http://lonelysandwich.com/post/662129889/ipad-tv http://lonelysandwich.com/post/662129889/ipad-tv 1 day ago that was posted, today we have a HD camera, iMovie and videophone announcement on a device with an upgraded screen, and talk of working with carriers for videophoning (i.e. transmitting video over the cellular networks). This "no innovation" device might not need a USB hoover attachment to be a cornerstone piece for turning another major industry upside down in a way that others could not mostly by virtue of lots of integration, evolutionary changes and a pleasant enough UI that people wont resist.
      - Daishiman 16y ago
        > In what way isn't it awesome? It's faster, smaller, brighter, screenier, cameraier, videoier, batterier, storagier, more sensor laden, better looking, and runs better more useful software. It's about on par on quality as the HTC Evo or Droid Incredible, which is great, but not astoundingly spectacular in my opinion. And as we all know, two months from now HTC will probably be releasing some newer and better. It's a competitive product, but in my eyes it's comparable to what's already out there, improving in the same way other products do when they're released (screen resolution, thickness, etc). It's just not worthy of getting your panties in a bunch, and certainly not worthy of migrating to it from a n Incredible, Evo, or Desire. Just not enough advantages to make it worth it.
      - crocowhile 16y ago
        It's better than iphone 3GS but this is not surprising. Hardware wise is catching up with some older HTC models for some features or lagging behind the newest models. High resolution display being the only thing really better than any other phones out there. If the fight is on software, I put my money on android: big time! Android is quicker at introducing new OS features because it's open source. I am thinking wifi tethering, customization beyond folders, web integration... and it offers a more competitive and free app market.
- mlinsey 16y ago
  Really? The original iPhone had a competitive advantage based on a "real" webkit-based browser, visual voicemail, a large multitouch display, on-screen keyboard with good auto-correction...etc, etc. What smartphones had those features before the iPhone? Those features are why I picked the iPhone as my first smartphone. Other features are making me strongly consider switching to an Android phone. I know the mantra here is "design is everything, feature count is unimportant", but I think that is an oversimplification. Design (really, usability) is more important than features, but once two products are roughly as usable, well-implemented features make a big difference. Clearly, Apple thinks that these features are important, otherwise it wouldn't be choosing to showcase them.
  - rimantas 16y ago
    The original iPhone had a competitive advantage based on a "real" webkit-based browser, visual voicemail, a large multitouch display, on-screen keyboard with good auto-correction...etc, etc Funny, but most of those were dismissed by naysayers when iPhone was introduced. The capabilities of Mobile Safari were mostly ignored ("I've my Opera Mini/Mobile"), multitouch ("Apple did not invent multitouch!" — and conveniently not mentioning that iPhone had capacitive multitouch), and no physical keyboard was presented as a huge flaw.
dualboot 16y ago
Apple has rarely done things first. They tend to just do things in a way that makes their customers really happy.
andreyf 16y ago
No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.
- adolph 16y ago
  Updated: No Verizon. Less 4G than the Evo. Lame.
  - tortilla 16y ago
    So basically a mini iPad. Lame.
    - adolph 16y ago
      Or, "an iPad that is quarter the size, has two cameras and a 3G modem!" Exciting!
houseabsolute 16y ago
You left out all the things you don't have on your Nexus One. An HD video camera, or any camera at all that captures at 30 fps. The Nexus One's display is lower resolution than the announced iPhone display, and some of the Nexus resolution is fake resolution from the novel pixel setup. Video calling. Guitar Hero, Netflix, and Farmville. iAd (you know that is going to be a draw for some developers). Universal copy and paste. I'm currently using a Nexus One as my primary phone, but let's please make honest comparisons.
- crocowhile 16y ago
  N1 has hd video at 20fps. display is better, ok. guitar hero, netflix and farmville I would not call them innovations. farmville is a way to overcome flash of course.
  - evgen 16y ago
    In that case my current iPhone has hd video at 1 fp5s. If it isn't at least 23.976 fps then it isn't hd video. Period.
    - crocowhile 16y ago
      Let me be clear because here it seems I get a waterfall of downvotes for daring saying something against an apple product. Multitouch = innovation Apple store = innovation GPS = innovation UI thought for mobiles = innovation Apple came out first with those things. Then people catched up. This time what is the innovation? A bit more pixels on the display and the farmville client? Are you kidding me?
      - houseabsolute 16y ago
        Your original claim was that it was obsolete on arrival and had little to do with innovation. You also claimed that Android had feature equivalency with the newly announced iPhone but were selective about the features that are equivalent. Finally, you claimed implicitly that the feature list is what makes the phone, which is obviously untrue. That's why you're getting downvotes.
wvenable 16y ago
This is an awful lot like Rob Malda's famous quote: "No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame." I'd go so far as to say that Apple never competes purely on features. They resisted putting features into the iPod (like an FM radio) for years and yet those devices still flew off the shelves. The iPhone 3GS screen is 1/4 the resolution of my now highly obsolete WinMo phone. Apple never rushes to add anything when they don't need to -- and that is not necessarily a bad thing.
tvon 16y ago
I don't know how many times this has to be said, but a product is more than the sum of it's feature-grid checkboxes.
- crocowhile 16y ago
  I am a not criticizing the iphone 4 per se; just saying that for the first time apple is coming out with something that does not have that "wow" factor; in fact a "meh" factor if you ask me. I add that I own a MBP, 2 ipods and I found the iPad interesting (for its wow factor again).
adolph 16y ago
I wasn't aware that the Nexus One had a gyroscope.
- crocowhile 16y ago
  I don't know if it does through the same sensor but the NEXUS one is aware of its absolute position, look for "google sky maps" on youtube for examples. It may be using magnetometer (digital compass) and 3 axis accelerometer.
  - elblanco 16y ago
    The sky map app is and amazing piece of software.
  - wzdd 16y ago
    It almost certainly is. Sky Map works well on my G1, and that definitely doesn't have a gyroscope. I suspect the difference will be in both speed of updates and accuracy. It doesn't matter (in fact, you won't even notice) if the phone is a little "off" when pointed at the sky, but I can't see the compass+accelerometer trick providing accurate absolute positioning for a fast-paced game.
rimantas 16y ago
So Nexus One has 960x640 300+ ppi, IPS LED backlit display? Its 5Mpx camer is with backside illumination? How is Nexus One increased battery life compared to iPhone 4? 10 hours of video, correct?

george_morgan 16y ago

The iPhone has never had the competitive advantage based on it’s feature count.

crocowhile 16y ago
It's not matter of features count. It's matter of innovative features. Hardly anything innovative in this product.
- Daishiman 16y ago
  Why is the parent being downvoted? It's true! This are just evolutionary improvements for some things and playing catch-up with others. Doesn't stop it from being a great product, but it's not the aweomest thing Steve wants you to believe.
  - jodrellblank 16y ago
    In what way isn't it awesome? It's faster, smaller, brighter, screenier, cameraier, videoier, batterier, storagier, more sensor laden, better looking, and runs better more useful software. I agree that it's not spouting a coffee filter and electric razor, but strongly disagree that you can step to "not innovative" "meh, useless catchup". One part of not being measured at features/$ checklist is not being measured at -$ per lack of never seen before feature. You've seen the Netflix announcement, now take a look at this: http://lonelysandwich.com/post/662129889/ipad-tv http://lonelysandwich.com/post/662129889/ipad-tv 1 day ago that was posted, today we have a HD camera, iMovie and videophone announcement on a device with an upgraded screen, and talk of working with carriers for videophoning (i.e. transmitting video over the cellular networks). This "no innovation" device might not need a USB hoover attachment to be a cornerstone piece for turning another major industry upside down in a way that others could not mostly by virtue of lots of integration, evolutionary changes and a pleasant enough UI that people wont resist.
    - Daishiman 16y ago
      > In what way isn't it awesome? It's faster, smaller, brighter, screenier, cameraier, videoier, batterier, storagier, more sensor laden, better looking, and runs better more useful software. It's about on par on quality as the HTC Evo or Droid Incredible, which is great, but not astoundingly spectacular in my opinion. And as we all know, two months from now HTC will probably be releasing some newer and better. It's a competitive product, but in my eyes it's comparable to what's already out there, improving in the same way other products do when they're released (screen resolution, thickness, etc). It's just not worthy of getting your panties in a bunch, and certainly not worthy of migrating to it from a n Incredible, Evo, or Desire. Just not enough advantages to make it worth it.
    - crocowhile 16y ago
      It's better than iphone 3GS but this is not surprising. Hardware wise is catching up with some older HTC models for some features or lagging behind the newest models. High resolution display being the only thing really better than any other phones out there. If the fight is on software, I put my money on android: big time! Android is quicker at introducing new OS features because it's open source. I am thinking wifi tethering, customization beyond folders, web integration... and it offers a more competitive and free app market.
mlinsey 16y ago
Really? The original iPhone had a competitive advantage based on a "real" webkit-based browser, visual voicemail, a large multitouch display, on-screen keyboard with good auto-correction...etc, etc. What smartphones had those features before the iPhone? Those features are why I picked the iPhone as my first smartphone. Other features are making me strongly consider switching to an Android phone. I know the mantra here is "design is everything, feature count is unimportant", but I think that is an oversimplification. Design (really, usability) is more important than features, but once two products are roughly as usable, well-implemented features make a big difference. Clearly, Apple thinks that these features are important, otherwise it wouldn't be choosing to showcase them.
- rimantas 16y ago
  The original iPhone had a competitive advantage based on a "real" webkit-based browser, visual voicemail, a large multitouch display, on-screen keyboard with good auto-correction...etc, etc Funny, but most of those were dismissed by naysayers when iPhone was introduced. The capabilities of Mobile Safari were mostly ignored ("I've my Opera Mini/Mobile"), multitouch ("Apple did not invent multitouch!" — and conveniently not mentioning that iPhone had capacitive multitouch), and no physical keyboard was presented as a huge flaw.

dualboot 16y ago

Apple has rarely done things first. They tend to just do things in a way that makes their customers really happy.

andreyf 16y ago

No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.

adolph 16y ago
Updated: No Verizon. Less 4G than the Evo. Lame.
- tortilla 16y ago
  So basically a mini iPad. Lame.
  - adolph 16y ago
    Or, "an iPad that is quarter the size, has two cameras and a 3G modem!" Exciting!

houseabsolute 16y ago

You left out all the things you don't have on your Nexus One. An HD video camera, or any camera at all that captures at 30 fps. The Nexus One's display is lower resolution than the announced iPhone display, and some of the Nexus resolution is fake resolution from the novel pixel setup. Video calling. Guitar Hero, Netflix, and Farmville. iAd (you know that is going to be a draw for some developers). Universal copy and paste. I'm currently using a Nexus One as my primary phone, but let's please make honest comparisons.

crocowhile 16y ago
N1 has hd video at 20fps. display is better, ok. guitar hero, netflix and farmville I would not call them innovations. farmville is a way to overcome flash of course.
- evgen 16y ago
  In that case my current iPhone has hd video at 1 fp5s. If it isn't at least 23.976 fps then it isn't hd video. Period.
  - crocowhile 16y ago
    Let me be clear because here it seems I get a waterfall of downvotes for daring saying something against an apple product. Multitouch = innovation Apple store = innovation GPS = innovation UI thought for mobiles = innovation Apple came out first with those things. Then people catched up. This time what is the innovation? A bit more pixels on the display and the farmville client? Are you kidding me?
    - houseabsolute 16y ago
      Your original claim was that it was obsolete on arrival and had little to do with innovation. You also claimed that Android had feature equivalency with the newly announced iPhone but were selective about the features that are equivalent. Finally, you claimed implicitly that the feature list is what makes the phone, which is obviously untrue. That's why you're getting downvotes.

wvenable 16y ago

This is an awful lot like Rob Malda's famous quote: "No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame." I'd go so far as to say that Apple never competes purely on features. They resisted putting features into the iPod (like an FM radio) for years and yet those devices still flew off the shelves. The iPhone 3GS screen is 1/4 the resolution of my now highly obsolete WinMo phone. Apple never rushes to add anything when they don't need to -- and that is not necessarily a bad thing.

tvon 16y ago

I don't know how many times this has to be said, but a product is more than the sum of it's feature-grid checkboxes.

crocowhile 16y ago
I am a not criticizing the iphone 4 per se; just saying that for the first time apple is coming out with something that does not have that "wow" factor; in fact a "meh" factor if you ask me. I add that I own a MBP, 2 ipods and I found the iPad interesting (for its wow factor again).

adolph 16y ago

I wasn't aware that the Nexus One had a gyroscope.

crocowhile 16y ago
I don't know if it does through the same sensor but the NEXUS one is aware of its absolute position, look for "google sky maps" on youtube for examples. It may be using magnetometer (digital compass) and 3 axis accelerometer.
- elblanco 16y ago
  The sky map app is and amazing piece of software.
- wzdd 16y ago
  It almost certainly is. Sky Map works well on my G1, and that definitely doesn't have a gyroscope. I suspect the difference will be in both speed of updates and accuracy. It doesn't matter (in fact, you won't even notice) if the phone is a little "off" when pointed at the sky, but I can't see the compass+accelerometer trick providing accurate absolute positioning for a fast-paced game.

rimantas 16y ago

So Nexus One has 960x640 300+ ppi, IPS LED backlit display? Its 5Mpx camer is with backside illumination? How is Nexus One increased battery life compared to iPhone 4? 10 hours of video, correct?