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So just lav out the "e"? The human brain would b prfctly capabl of undrstanding it.

by nightski 10y ago

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ZeroManArmy 10y ago
That isn't why this is a thing. It's a way to be more fruitful with words.
- deleted 10y ago
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- Dylan16807 10y ago
  Though it does give a good bar. If the posts altering word choice end up roundabout and less comprehensible than simply throwing out the letter, they are doing a poor job.
evincarofautumn 10y ago
Y dn’t vn prtclrl nd vwls n gnrl, bcs cnsnnts hld mr smntc nfrmtn.
- thr0waway1239 10y ago
  dpnds n th lngth f th wrds. vr shrt wrds r t hrd t rd
  - evincarofautumn 10y ago
    Tr-, m-b- pl-ch-ld-rs f-r v-wl s-nds w-ld h-lp? /-sp-ʃ-l- -f j- r-t f-n-t-kl-/. Wəθ ʃwə (ə) ənstəd əv dəʃ əz ðə pləshəldr, ət əvən ləks lək ə rəl rətəŋ səstəm.
zem 10y ago
it's not that hard to simply pick out words that do not contain it; just not trivial. it's a fun constraint to play with.
Joeboy 10y ago
From oulipo.social's FAQ (https://oulipo.social/about/more https://oulipo.social/about/more): * No problm I'll writ lik this. No. Stop. Don't do this.
- wielebny 10y ago
  At the same page they describe themselves as: 'A Dcntralizd and Fdratd Social Ntwork'.
  - Joeboy 10y ago
    Fair point, but it's still a young program and no doubt a fix is coming soon.
- zyx321 10y ago
  It says in writing that no administrator will banish folks who do this.
noam87 10y ago
Interesting puzzle: one can leave out one letter, then another, and measure at what rate does understandability decrease for people (until eventually it's complete gibberish). Also, given a large enough audience, one could try different combinations of letter-removal orders and distribute those randomly, and measure the same... the question being: * Which letters are the most vital to understanding written English? or * Which combinations of letters? Are the letters the same in all the combinations of a certain rank, or do they differ? (where certain letter combinations themselves make each other more necessary) -- etc. Alternatively: the same experiment, but where all words submitted by a user must match to a dictionary of real words. To that one may even add a grammar checker! (Which sets of sub-alphabets lend themselves best to proper English? Which allow for the shortest subsets? -- etc. etc.) This would be utterly useless and I have no idea how it could be done. The thing is, the hardest part of solving this puzzle, if one were to try, is not designing the experiment and writing the code, but figuring out how the hell to convince a massive audience large enough to collect the significant data to subject themselves to this experiment in the first place (or trying to design an AI that could be subjected to it -- and evolve the AIs themselves until they excel at deducing unintelligible text -- Would the results be the same for people and AIs?)... I like this puzzle because it's so utterly stupid yet it would probably take an incredibly gifted person who has off-the-charts OCD to actually solve. If I were a multi-millionaire I would hire a crack-team of engineers and mathematicians to work non stop on this particular problem; just for the hell of it.

So just lav out the "e"? The human brain would b prfctly capabl of undrstanding it.

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ZeroManArmy 10y ago

That isn't why this is a thing. It's a way to be more fruitful with words.

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Dylan16807 10y ago
Though it does give a good bar. If the posts altering word choice end up roundabout and less comprehensible than simply throwing out the letter, they are doing a poor job.

evincarofautumn 10y ago

Y dn’t vn prtclrl nd vwls n gnrl, bcs cnsnnts hld mr smntc nfrmtn.

thr0waway1239 10y ago
dpnds n th lngth f th wrds. vr shrt wrds r t hrd t rd
- evincarofautumn 10y ago
  Tr-, m-b- pl-ch-ld-rs f-r v-wl s-nds w-ld h-lp? /-sp-ʃ-l- -f j- r-t f-n-t-kl-/. Wəθ ʃwə (ə) ənstəd əv dəʃ əz ðə pləshəldr, ət əvən ləks lək ə rəl rətəŋ səstəm.

zem 10y ago

it's not that hard to simply pick out words that do not contain it; just not trivial. it's a fun constraint to play with.

Joeboy 10y ago

From oulipo.social's FAQ (https://oulipo.social/about/more https://oulipo.social/about/more): * No problm I'll writ lik this. No. Stop. Don't do this.

wielebny 10y ago
At the same page they describe themselves as: 'A Dcntralizd and Fdratd Social Ntwork'.
- Joeboy 10y ago
  Fair point, but it's still a young program and no doubt a fix is coming soon.
zyx321 10y ago
It says in writing that no administrator will banish folks who do this.

noam87 10y ago

Interesting puzzle: one can leave out one letter, then another, and measure at what rate does understandability decrease for people (until eventually it's complete gibberish). Also, given a large enough audience, one could try different combinations of letter-removal orders and distribute those randomly, and measure the same... the question being: * Which letters are the most vital to understanding written English? or * Which combinations of letters? Are the letters the same in all the combinations of a certain rank, or do they differ? (where certain letter combinations themselves make each other more necessary) -- etc. Alternatively: the same experiment, but where all words submitted by a user must match to a dictionary of real words. To that one may even add a grammar checker! (Which sets of sub-alphabets lend themselves best to proper English? Which allow for the shortest subsets? -- etc. etc.) This would be utterly useless and I have no idea how it could be done. The thing is, the hardest part of solving this puzzle, if one were to try, is not designing the experiment and writing the code, but figuring out how the hell to convince a massive audience large enough to collect the significant data to subject themselves to this experiment in the first place (or trying to design an AI that could be subjected to it -- and evolve the AIs themselves until they excel at deducing unintelligible text -- Would the results be the same for people and AIs?)... I like this puzzle because it's so utterly stupid yet it would probably take an incredibly gifted person who has off-the-charts OCD to actually solve. If I were a multi-millionaire I would hire a crack-team of engineers and mathematicians to work non stop on this particular problem; just for the hell of it.