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Ubuntu 17.04 Released
- trendnet 9y agoDoes it mean Ubuntu can run unmodified on Allwinner H3 socs?
- jandrese 9y agoI wouldn't hold my breath. Those Allwinner-based boards tend to be full of gotchas.
- michel-slm 9y agoThe new Budgie flavor looks really tempting: https://ubuntubudgie.org/features https://ubuntubudgie.org/features
- mediocrejoker 9y agoI had a quick look at their site but I'm still not sure what they change from vanilla ubuntu.
- roryrjb 9y agoBudgie desktop: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budgie_(desktop_environment) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budgie_(desktop_environment) vs Unity
- reitanqild 9y agoThanks! Still feel it is really hard to understand what kind of Desktop Environment it is. I get that it is built on Gnome technologies but is it like gnome2/mate or like gnome3 or something completely different?
- type0 9y agoIt is more like Cinnamon in a sense that it's built on GNOME3 stuff but arguably simpler and suitable for new users. It's not as customizable like MATE.
- cuu508 9y agoLooks like it's Ubuntu with a bunch more apps pre-installed. After a fresh install I usually start with removing the apps I don't use -- games, accessibility tools, print drivers, cd burner, document indexer, default email client etc. etc. etc. So I guess this flavor would be the opposite of what I want...
- dabber 9y agoNot a Thunderbird fan? What's your preferred mail client? I'm looking for something else; I've got my eye on Claws and Evolution but haven't started to play around with anything yet.
- shanemhansen 9y agoI've been using evolution for the last few years. It has a EWS (exchange web services) client that works really well for me at $BigCorp. I think I've had one or two crashes total, compared to outlook which crashes almost daily. Prior to that I used gmail. When I used thunderbird it often seemed to spend all of it's time indexing. It has some nice plugins though.
- dabber 9y agoThanks for the reply, I think it's finally time I give evolution a shot.
- AdmiralAsshat 9y agoNot sure what it offers over just using SolusOS, to be honest (Solus is the main OS that develops the Budgie desktop). Existing Ubuntu packages, I guess?
- michel-slm 9y agoThat, indeed. If you want something lighter-weight than Unity or Gnome but based on the Gnome stack, running Budgie on top of your existing distro is a nice alternative. One of these days I'm going to get it packaged in Fedora too...
- polmuz 9y agoIt looks very similar to ElementaryOS
- philliphaydon 9y agoIs there anything that takes the flat look of Windows 10? I really prefer the flat simple look of Windows 10.
- hashhar 9y agoKDE Plasma? I haven't used it personally but from looking at the screenshots and videos featuring it, I think it looks good aesthetically. And the trope that KDE is bloated hasn't been true for the past 6 or 7 years too.
- ColanR 9y agoI'll concur that it looks really good, but it's also pretty buggy. (fully updated KDE Mint)
- hashhar 9y agoReport them upstream if you have the time. I'm looking to give all popular DEs a chance in an Arch Linux VM pretty soon. Ever since moving to just a window manager (awesomeWM to i3wm) I've not felt the need for a full-fledged desktop environment.
- jonathansizz 9y agoFor KDE you might want to go with KDE Neon https://neon.kde.org/ https://neon.kde.org/
- roryisok 9y agoElementary.io maybe?
- pyrophane 9y agoThere are some gnome themes that you can apply that might do the trick: https://www.slant.co/topics/2087/~gnome-shell-themes https://www.slant.co/topics/2087/~gnome-shell-themes
- _arvin 9y ago
- mgbmtl 9y agotil: terminix (gnome terminal emulator with tiling). Pretty neat. Interesting compromise for those (like me) who might like some features of a tiling window-manager, but prefer Gnome. Oh, and other really neat feature: "terminix --quake" (https://github.com/gnunn1/tilix/wiki/Quake-Mode https://github.com/gnunn1/tilix/wiki/Quake-Mode)
- _arvin 9y agoNice. Personally, guake is still my go to (sudo apt install guake, info at github.com/guake/guake). Can't live without it.
- mikejmoffitt 9y agoIs there any difference between flavors other than the preinstalled software?
- stubish 9y agoNo. You can even have multiple flavors installed at the same time, eg. by installing both the ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop packages.
- ergo14 9y agoUbuntu Gnome - here I come!
- yxhuvud 9y agoThat won't be until Ubuntu 18, or are you switching prematurely?
- pipu 9y agoUbuntu GNOME has been an official distro for a few iterations already. Will be dropped in the future. https://ubuntugnome.org https://ubuntugnome.org
- michel-slm 9y agoyou can always run the Ubuntu Gnome flavor, I think that's what the parent is saying
- ergo14 9y agoCorrect.
- bitwize 9y agoUbuntu GNOME is the official spin that ships with a GNOME desktop.
- jrimbault 9y agoThere's small subdistro called Ubuntu Gnome
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- ergo14 9y agoI've been using it for at least 2 or 3 years now :-)
- Scuds 9y agoI use Lubuntu in a VM for my work http://lubuntu.net/ http://lubuntu.net/ and it's been quite all right. All I use is chrome, slack and VSCode.
- ausjke 9y ago“Ubuntu switches from swap partitions to using swap files by default. This means a simpler partition layouts during installation, disk space savings and easier adjustment of swap size” -- interesting, was always unclear about the performance difference between a partition and a swap file. the LXD and Snap are fun to watch, Canonical always does things a bit different here and there.
- hashhar 9y agoThere's no performance difference as long as the swap file doesn't have "holes" (meaning that the file is contiguous on-disk). There's the convenience of being able to re purpose the storage as long as swap isn't being used.
- loup-vaillant 9y agoDoes this have to hold for SSDs as well, or is performance unconditionally the same?
- hashhar 9y agoPerformance is unconditionally the same (last time I checked on an 840 EVO) given that the swap file DOESN'T HAVE HOLES. http://www.faqs.org/docs/linux_admin/x1762.html http://www.faqs.org/docs/linux_admin/x1762.html
- loup-vaillant 9y agoIt's unconditionally the same if it satisfy the very condition I was asking about. Riiight.
- jabl 9y agoIIUC the kernel bypasses all the filesystem code when swapping (except during swapon when getting the starting block address and size of the swap file).
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- moomin 9y agoI'm sure this is a good release, but Ubuntu itself is going through some serious turmoil at the moment. Seems to me like there's a good chance it's going to wither on the vine in the next five years. What's worse, there don't seem to be many alternatives if you're looking for a "just works" desktop experience.
- jrs95 9y agoFedora is pretty good imo
- hashhar 9y agoI rank distros like this: DIY: Arch Linux > Slackware Compile It Yourself: Gentoo > BSDs Friendly: Fedora > Mint > Ubuntu > Solus > countless other Desktop Env specific distros Developer Focused: openSUSE > NixOS > Fedora > Debian
- Jonathanks 9y agoHow does openSUSE do compared against Fedora, FreeBSD and Debian (testing) for developers? I'm currently running Ubuntu but the experience is not as smooth as I want: I've had several freezes and kernel panics, even though my laptop is well supported (from Ubuntu 14.04, at least). I want something that's a bit stable with more recent packages. FreeBSD seems to be semi-rolling release, comparing package versions in the 'current' release with that in the snapshot versions. Debian testing has packages as recent as I can use, but I heard it's less stable than Ubuntu and bad things happen too. I'm considering Fedora, but I prefer rolling release distros to fixed release ones (I don't want Rawhide for stability sake). OpenSUSE has older packages in its repos: PHP < 7.0, gcc < 6, ...
- hashhar 9y agoFirst things first. Set up a VM with Arch Linux, Slackware, Gentoo or if you are feeling adventurous Linux From Scratch. It'll go a long way to help you learn how Linux systems work. (Don't install a graphical environment, plain X server is OK though). Now to your original question: If you want bleeding edge packages go with either Arch Linux, Gentoo, openSUSE or Solus. I haven't used openSUSE as extensively I'd like to but haven't had any issues with it yet. The package format is a bit too much if you want to create your own packages though. openSUSE ticks all the marks in your checklist too. Other than that I will suggest to keep your local dev environment as close to production as SANELY possible. Fedora and openSUSE are good bets. Personally for rolling releases I've found Arch Linux to be the best (not because they are rolling release but because they generally keep the packages without any modifications from upstream). There is a huge selection of packages. But it suffers with the problem that it's not used in production and hence some issues can't be caught on it.
- shanemhansen 9y agoI just had a random thought. If ubuntu really wanted to push the desktop forward they would focus on web developers and some first class tooling around react (preloaded extensions or editor support).
- npolet 9y agoBeing a web developer, I would love this. Not sure how it would look in practice, but web developers are the ones that use Ubuntu server a lot, so why not have a web developer flavour for the desktop. I you and I can just dream a little, as the chances of this happening are seriously slim.
- blacksmith_tb 9y agoIt might fit better into their existing line to make a developer-focused offering like Ubuntu Studio[1] which ships with a bunch of multimedia apps. 1: http://ubuntustudio.org/ http://ubuntustudio.org/
- xtracto 9y agoUnfortunately (and this is more general for the Linux world) the filesystem in use is still ext4, which has been part of Linux since 2008 (almost 10 years now!). ZFS is more an more usable in Linux ( apt install -y zfs ) but it would be really good to have it by default and available for the root partition. Just moments ago I set up fusecompress in a DigitalOcean droplet to compress an .rbenv/versions and node_modules directory. It would be better if the filesystem supported transparent compression by default (zfs does, and I think brtfs)
- jlgaddis 9y agoYou probably know this but... you can use "ZFS-on-root" with Ubuntu although, as you mentioned, it's not available by default (or with the installer). I did it (w/ 16.04) on a laptop w/ a pair of SSDs a while back, mostly just being curious about ZFS on Linux in general. Now, both my workstation and primary laptop use ZFS (on Arch Linux) just like my FreeBSD servers do.
- pc2g4d 9y agoThis release tells me that Ubuntu has completely given up on being a desktop Linux distribution. There's mention of only one thing: containers. Containers, containers, containers. No shell improvements, no application improvements, nothing else. So... I guess I'm glad I've moved over to Fedora.
- bwat49 9y agoUnity is being dropped and unity 7 had already been in maintenance mode for a long time, so it's not surprising there's no unity changes here.
- cr0sh 9y agoWho says you can't use containers on the desktop? https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/docker-containers-on-the-desktop/ https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/docker-containers-on-the-desk... She gives some good reasons why it can be a good thing; it sounds interesting - I've thought of trying it myself, and might with a new future system. It's downsides (though this may have changed since I last saw this and looked into it) would be difficulty setting it up, and that some applications might need some tweaking to get them to play nice (?). It still seems like something fun to play around with. Container'd (?) apps would make for an easier system to admin overall, I think. Oh - yeah, SNAPS are kinda a refining of the idea of running individual apps in their own containers, from what I understand (plus making it easier to package apps so that they will run anywhere properly - at least, that's the way I understand it; I haven't done a lot of research on it). Anyhow - I was a bit confused by this release, too - it does seem server focused, but the mention of SNAPS makes me wonder if they aren't trying to move in that direction, that is, a more unified system that isn't differentiated between desktop or server (or whatever), and is just a container ecosystem of apps for whatever you want to use the system for?
- cr0sh 9y agoThe mention of containers and Snaps in this release makes me wonder if Ubuntu isn't moving in the direction of general containerization of the system - server or desktop. It's certainly possible to run containers on the desktop, as this experiment shows: https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/docker-containers-on-the-desktop/ https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/docker-containers-on-the-desk... Her system was an early experiment, though, and seems like it had a more than a bit of admin needs - in other words, it was meant for general users. But she made some good points on why containers on the desktop could be useful, and from what I understand, Snaps is a part of this kind of idea. Maybe I'm wrong - but if I'm right, this could be a big deal, though hopefully it's so transparent as to be something you don't really notice.
- stubish 9y agoCertainly. Snaps are contained and there are already a pile of desktop snaps available. You can install the applications, see what access they have and trust containment that they can't overstep their bounds, even if compromised. Same of course with the server, right down to IoT style devices where the entire system is composed of snaps and everything is running in containment. Its all there and available right now. At some point soon I'm sure deb packages will start wrapping snaps and an 'apt full-upgrade' transitions people without them noticing.
- anuraaga 9y agoDidn't look much at the features because I was taken aback by the most important point - they've reached the Z in their naming scheme already! What comes next, three A's, or maybe something else?