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>>So, we should just let it crash and burn down, pick up the pieces and start over? Yes, with the focus on the big war on this extreme capitalism. I couldn't v

>>So, we should just let it crash and burn down, pick up the pieces and start over? Yes, with the focus on the big war on this extreme capitalism. I couldn't vote, but I was hoping Sarah Palin won last time in the US elections. I'm hoping Donald Trump wins this year's election. For the reason that it will fuck up that country so much faster then if a less bad President wins. Our whole world is just so focused on money, money, money. That's the biggest problem. That's why everything fucks up. That's the target we have to fix. We need to make sure that we are going to get a different focus in life. [09:20] Hopefully technology will give us robots that will take away all the jobs, which will cause like a massive worldwide unemployment; somewhat like 60 percent. People will be so unhappy. That would be great, because then you can finally see capitalism crashing so hard. There is going to be a lot of fear, lost blood, and lost lives to get to that point, but I think that's the only positive thing I see, that we are going to have a total system collapse in the future. Hopefully as quick as possible. I would rather be 50 then be like 85 when the system is crashing. -- ^^ THIS THIS THIS. This is what I hoped for when Bernie Sanders lost, and it looks like it's coming to fruition, Trump is king, and America's going to shit pretty darn fast, soon things will get so bad that people wake up and demand real change. I don't think all capitalism is bad, I think unchecked corporate/chrony capitalism is. Was a time in America where we had capitalism but every dollar over like $10 mill was taxed at near 100% --so that CEO's would instead pay their employees more, or hire new ones and grow the company instead of pad their pockets.

DannyB2 10y ago
The problem is human greed. Even if you burn everything down and rebuild, the problem of greed remains. Oh, and lust for power. See all of human history. Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. (Usually in summer school.)
- nickthemagicman 10y ago
  If greed was the only driving force in human history we wouldn't have democracy, philosophy, sciences, etc. There's plenty of other powerful counteracting forces to greed in the human psyche and society, like justice, social consciousness, and fairness. It takes education and awareness, I think to really feel like those are important. And America is increasingly becoming less educated and aware.
  - tertius 10y ago
    > And America is increasingly becoming less educated and aware. I would think the opposite is true.
    - nickthemagicman 10y ago
      Well actually you're correct! More people are getting college educated nowdays. The issue is that this is concentrated in certain regions of the country, while vast swaths of the country have much poorer education outcomes. These are primarily Red States. I have to do a little more research to get some cites when I have a free min, but you are correct and thanks for the clarification.
- pembrook 10y ago
  Yes. True socialism (aka communism) is like a product created by a founder without user testing. The product sounds really really good in the pitch, even good enough to dupe lots of investors! However after launch you realize it was designed without taking into account the real as opposed to the hypothetical behavior of users. Your users (humans as a whole) have shown after thousands of years of user testing that we demand power gamification so much--we will even find ways to create it inside systems designed to be without it (to extreme negative affect if the system wasn't designed to contain it). Hence why every thriving country today is the result of employing some level of market economics in its system.
- moogly 10y ago
  > Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. "That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons that history has to teach." - Aldous Huxley
tertius 10y ago
> unchecked corporate/chrony capitalism is This isn't capitalism. > Was a time in America where we had capitalism but every dollar over like $10 mill was taxed at near 100%... And we still only collected 20%-25% of GDP. A max.
- s73ver 10y ago
  >> unchecked corporate/chrony capitalism is >This isn't capitalism. This is a No True Scottsman fallacy, though. Claiming that a direct result of capitalism is not capitalism is quite a stretch.
demonshalo 10y ago
> Was a time in America where we had capitalism but every dollar over like $10 mill was taxed at near 100% -- that CEO's would instead pay their employees more, or hire new ones and grow the company instead of pad their pockets. Like... are you honestly so fucking lacking in integrity that you could not bother looking this shit up before puking this garbage here? > over like $10 mill This number is PURE bullshit. That's not how it worked. Read here: here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_history_of_the_United_States#Development_of_the_modern_income_tax https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_history_of_the_United... > CEO's would instead pay their employees more, or hire new ones and grow the company instead of pad their pockets. Stop puking whatever your college professor shoved into your head and think for yourself for a minute. Take 100% of every Fortune 5000 CEO's income and divide that number by the number of people they collectively employ. How much more money do you think each employee would get? 1000 dollar more / month? 10 000 per year? If you believe so then you are as lost as your friend Bernie. Plenty of economists have made those calculations and once you look into them you realize that this argument makes no fucking sense and it is just a talking point to rally you into voting for democrats. The average worker would get no substantial or life-changing increase in income if you distribute the CEO income by the number of employees their corporations have. > This is what I hoped for when Bernie Sanders lost Bernie didn't lose. Bernie sold you out. He repackaged, shuffled and sold you to the most corrupt politician of modern times. Yet here you are shouting THIS THIS THIS. You are being fingered by your candidate. The sooner you realize that the better you'll be able to sleep. > Trump is king, and America's going to shit pretty darn fast No it won't. The president doesn't change much. It's a democracy not an autocracy. Get fucking real already and stop with the hyperbolic bullshit.
- dang 10y ago
  Your comments in this thread are breaking the HN guidelines. We ban accounts that post uncivilly, so please don't do it again, regardless of how bad another comment may be. In addition, please don't use HN for political or ideological battle. That's not what it's for; it's for intellectual curiosity and the two things don't go together.
dang 10y ago
Hoping and celebrating if a country "goes to shit" breaks HN's rule against incivility. Please don't comment like this here.
- s73ver 10y ago
  You really need to put better guidelines as to what counts as "incivility", cause it really seems like you just make it up as you go. I've read the guidelines; and they are very unclear about what counts as "incivility". Someone above is making very civil arguments against piracy, and yet they're still getting rate limited, implying that they're commenting against the guidelines. I'm not complaining that they're downvoted; I'm complaining that they appear to be punished for doing what you say you want people to do. As for this specific case, that's what the content of the article posted contained. If what this poster said was incivil, then the entire article shouldn't have been allowed.
  - dang 10y ago
    I'm always happy to explain how we interpret things when users are asking in good faith. That's not clear to me in this case though. HN has never been a letter-of-the-law kind of place. It would be a huge mistake to try to formalize the rules here. It would lead to bureaucracy, nitpickery, system-gaming, and plenty more that would eat our souls. Does that mean interpretation is involved? Yes, as it always is everywhere. I think I've explained to you before that it's an abuse of HN to use it primarily for battle as opposed to curiosity. We really can't have both, so would you please use the site the intended way from now on?

DannyB2 10y ago

The problem is human greed. Even if you burn everything down and rebuild, the problem of greed remains. Oh, and lust for power. See all of human history. Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. (Usually in summer school.)

nickthemagicman 10y ago
If greed was the only driving force in human history we wouldn't have democracy, philosophy, sciences, etc. There's plenty of other powerful counteracting forces to greed in the human psyche and society, like justice, social consciousness, and fairness. It takes education and awareness, I think to really feel like those are important. And America is increasingly becoming less educated and aware.
- tertius 10y ago
  > And America is increasingly becoming less educated and aware. I would think the opposite is true.
  - nickthemagicman 10y ago
    Well actually you're correct! More people are getting college educated nowdays. The issue is that this is concentrated in certain regions of the country, while vast swaths of the country have much poorer education outcomes. These are primarily Red States. I have to do a little more research to get some cites when I have a free min, but you are correct and thanks for the clarification.
pembrook 10y ago
Yes. True socialism (aka communism) is like a product created by a founder without user testing. The product sounds really really good in the pitch, even good enough to dupe lots of investors! However after launch you realize it was designed without taking into account the real as opposed to the hypothetical behavior of users. Your users (humans as a whole) have shown after thousands of years of user testing that we demand power gamification so much--we will even find ways to create it inside systems designed to be without it (to extreme negative affect if the system wasn't designed to contain it). Hence why every thriving country today is the result of employing some level of market economics in its system.
moogly 10y ago
> Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. "That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons that history has to teach." - Aldous Huxley

tertius 10y ago

> unchecked corporate/chrony capitalism is This isn't capitalism. > Was a time in America where we had capitalism but every dollar over like $10 mill was taxed at near 100%... And we still only collected 20%-25% of GDP. A max.

s73ver 10y ago
>> unchecked corporate/chrony capitalism is >This isn't capitalism. This is a No True Scottsman fallacy, though. Claiming that a direct result of capitalism is not capitalism is quite a stretch.

demonshalo 10y ago

> Was a time in America where we had capitalism but every dollar over like $10 mill was taxed at near 100% -- that CEO's would instead pay their employees more, or hire new ones and grow the company instead of pad their pockets. Like... are you honestly so fucking lacking in integrity that you could not bother looking this shit up before puking this garbage here? > over like $10 mill This number is PURE bullshit. That's not how it worked. Read here: here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_history_of_the_United_States#Development_of_the_modern_income_tax https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_history_of_the_United... > CEO's would instead pay their employees more, or hire new ones and grow the company instead of pad their pockets. Stop puking whatever your college professor shoved into your head and think for yourself for a minute. Take 100% of every Fortune 5000 CEO's income and divide that number by the number of people they collectively employ. How much more money do you think each employee would get? 1000 dollar more / month? 10 000 per year? If you believe so then you are as lost as your friend Bernie. Plenty of economists have made those calculations and once you look into them you realize that this argument makes no fucking sense and it is just a talking point to rally you into voting for democrats. The average worker would get no substantial or life-changing increase in income if you distribute the CEO income by the number of employees their corporations have. > This is what I hoped for when Bernie Sanders lost Bernie didn't lose. Bernie sold you out. He repackaged, shuffled and sold you to the most corrupt politician of modern times. Yet here you are shouting THIS THIS THIS. You are being fingered by your candidate. The sooner you realize that the better you'll be able to sleep. > Trump is king, and America's going to shit pretty darn fast No it won't. The president doesn't change much. It's a democracy not an autocracy. Get fucking real already and stop with the hyperbolic bullshit.

dang 10y ago
Your comments in this thread are breaking the HN guidelines. We ban accounts that post uncivilly, so please don't do it again, regardless of how bad another comment may be. In addition, please don't use HN for political or ideological battle. That's not what it's for; it's for intellectual curiosity and the two things don't go together.

dang 10y ago

Hoping and celebrating if a country "goes to shit" breaks HN's rule against incivility. Please don't comment like this here.

s73ver 10y ago
You really need to put better guidelines as to what counts as "incivility", cause it really seems like you just make it up as you go. I've read the guidelines; and they are very unclear about what counts as "incivility". Someone above is making very civil arguments against piracy, and yet they're still getting rate limited, implying that they're commenting against the guidelines. I'm not complaining that they're downvoted; I'm complaining that they appear to be punished for doing what you say you want people to do. As for this specific case, that's what the content of the article posted contained. If what this poster said was incivil, then the entire article shouldn't have been allowed.
- dang 10y ago
  I'm always happy to explain how we interpret things when users are asking in good faith. That's not clear to me in this case though. HN has never been a letter-of-the-law kind of place. It would be a huge mistake to try to formalize the rules here. It would lead to bureaucracy, nitpickery, system-gaming, and plenty more that would eat our souls. Does that mean interpretation is involved? Yes, as it always is everywhere. I think I've explained to you before that it's an abuse of HN to use it primarily for battle as opposed to curiosity. We really can't have both, so would you please use the site the intended way from now on?