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A recent story in Europe was that travellers entering the US could be forced to reveal social network passwords. No idea if that is true or not but it was a he

by barking 10y ago

A recent story in Europe was that travellers entering the US could be forced to reveal social network passwords. No idea if that is true or not but it was a headline.

davidf18 10y ago
What do they call it now? Fake news? But here is a real story. I'm American and "member of the tribe" who has been to Israel many times as shown by the passport stamps, speaks Hebrew and I didn't arrive at Ben-Gurion airport in Tel Aviv to a Turkish Air flight to Istanbul 3 hours in advance of the flight. My take-on was packed away and I was strip searched down to my underwear. I was amused and happy for the security, but some people might be bothered by that.
- Daishiman 10y ago
  Unlike the US, Israel and Turkey have been actively targeted by real, no-BS terrorist activity and their security measures are not the security theater that is the TSA, nor are their policies inspired by underlying racism but actual evidence-based security policy. I'm 100% sure it's unpleasant, but their motives are far more trustworthy than the TSA's.
  - davidf18 10y ago
    I would have been subject of a terrorist attack in Jerusalem in 2008 except that I bought a chocolate bar in a tiny store at the last minute. I picked up the chocolate bar and before I could give the cashier the money, ..... > I'm 100% sure it's unpleasant,... Well, for me, I am only too happy when there are these kinds of security measures.... Also, the screeners are all former military (even women in Israel are drafted) and have been trained to screen according to emotional response. (emotional prosody).
- InitialLastName 10y ago
  Amused and happy seems like a misnomer when applied to overwhelmingly invasive, unnecessary procedures. Have they actually convinced you that this is improving security?
  - davidf18 10y ago
    Well, I don't believe the procedures to be unnecessary. Also, I am not a citizen of Israel but rather a guest, so anything to protect the citizens and other guests from terrorism. In my opinion, if US airport security was run according to Israeli standards, 9/11 would have been less likely.
    - InitialLastName 10y ago
      If they had locked and reinforced the cockpit doors, 9/11 wouldn't have happened. That's all it takes.
      - squarefoot 10y ago
        Before 9/11 there was no perception of that necessity though.
        davidf18 10y ago
        Well, Israel had done it for quite some time thanks to terrorists hijacking their planes. Plane hijackings have been going on for other countries for some time. Also, IIRC, El-Al has an air martial (again former military in every case) on each flight.
    - logfromblammo 10y ago
      If US airport security was run according to Israeli standards, all international flights would have to go through one of two airports, on the east and west coasts, each of which would have to be larger than ORD, JFK, LAX, DFW, and ATL combined. The special school required to train the screeners would effectively be the largest college in the world. International tourism both in and out would shrink dramatically, as there are precious few religions that consider anywhere in the US to be special holy sites, and plenty of places to see in the US that don't require intensive security screening. No one I know would ever be amused by a strip search. The Israeli air travel strategy just doesn't scale up quite that well.
e28eta 10y ago
As far as I can tell, that's something the Trump admin has suggested would be a good idea, but isn't policy yet. However, they do conduct other electronic searches. https://www.eff.org/wp/digital-privacy-us-border-2017 https://www.eff.org/wp/digital-privacy-us-border-2017
- irrational 10y ago
  I have no social media accounts. I would love to know what their protocol says to do if someone claims to not have any social media accounts.
  - plandis 10y ago
    Yet here you are posting on a public message board under (I'm assuming) your account :)
    - madebysquares 10y ago
      Then we get to debate what is constitutes as a social media acct? Any forum, any public comment board? Or what is more traditionally called social media, Reddit/Facebook/Instagram/Snapchat/Twitter and the like? Is email social media?
      - kenshaw 10y ago
        Don't move! Put your hands up! It's an impossible to comply with demand, that gives the person evaluating entirety to claim compliance or non-compliance based on whim. Not a far cry from a poll test.
jrnichols 10y ago
True, and social media seems too quick to blame Trump for it. But a Democrat senator has been pushing for it for a while now. https://www.shaheen.senate.gov/news/press/shaheen-leads-letter-to-dhs-calling-for-social-media-background-checks-in-visa-screening-process https://www.shaheen.senate.gov/news/press/shaheen-leads-lett...

by barking 10y ago

A recent story in Europe was that travellers entering the US could be forced to reveal social network passwords. No idea if that is true or not but it was a headline.

davidf18 10y ago

What do they call it now? Fake news? But here is a real story. I'm American and "member of the tribe" who has been to Israel many times as shown by the passport stamps, speaks Hebrew and I didn't arrive at Ben-Gurion airport in Tel Aviv to a Turkish Air flight to Istanbul 3 hours in advance of the flight. My take-on was packed away and I was strip searched down to my underwear. I was amused and happy for the security, but some people might be bothered by that.

Daishiman 10y ago
Unlike the US, Israel and Turkey have been actively targeted by real, no-BS terrorist activity and their security measures are not the security theater that is the TSA, nor are their policies inspired by underlying racism but actual evidence-based security policy. I'm 100% sure it's unpleasant, but their motives are far more trustworthy than the TSA's.
- davidf18 10y ago
  I would have been subject of a terrorist attack in Jerusalem in 2008 except that I bought a chocolate bar in a tiny store at the last minute. I picked up the chocolate bar and before I could give the cashier the money, ..... > I'm 100% sure it's unpleasant,... Well, for me, I am only too happy when there are these kinds of security measures.... Also, the screeners are all former military (even women in Israel are drafted) and have been trained to screen according to emotional response. (emotional prosody).
InitialLastName 10y ago
Amused and happy seems like a misnomer when applied to overwhelmingly invasive, unnecessary procedures. Have they actually convinced you that this is improving security?
- davidf18 10y ago
  Well, I don't believe the procedures to be unnecessary. Also, I am not a citizen of Israel but rather a guest, so anything to protect the citizens and other guests from terrorism. In my opinion, if US airport security was run according to Israeli standards, 9/11 would have been less likely.
  - InitialLastName 10y ago
    If they had locked and reinforced the cockpit doors, 9/11 wouldn't have happened. That's all it takes.
    - squarefoot 10y ago
      Before 9/11 there was no perception of that necessity though.
      - davidf18 10y ago
        Well, Israel had done it for quite some time thanks to terrorists hijacking their planes. Plane hijackings have been going on for other countries for some time. Also, IIRC, El-Al has an air martial (again former military in every case) on each flight.
  - logfromblammo 10y ago
    If US airport security was run according to Israeli standards, all international flights would have to go through one of two airports, on the east and west coasts, each of which would have to be larger than ORD, JFK, LAX, DFW, and ATL combined. The special school required to train the screeners would effectively be the largest college in the world. International tourism both in and out would shrink dramatically, as there are precious few religions that consider anywhere in the US to be special holy sites, and plenty of places to see in the US that don't require intensive security screening. No one I know would ever be amused by a strip search. The Israeli air travel strategy just doesn't scale up quite that well.

e28eta 10y ago

As far as I can tell, that's something the Trump admin has suggested would be a good idea, but isn't policy yet. However, they do conduct other electronic searches. https://www.eff.org/wp/digital-privacy-us-border-2017 https://www.eff.org/wp/digital-privacy-us-border-2017

irrational 10y ago
I have no social media accounts. I would love to know what their protocol says to do if someone claims to not have any social media accounts.
- plandis 10y ago
  Yet here you are posting on a public message board under (I'm assuming) your account :)
  - madebysquares 10y ago
    Then we get to debate what is constitutes as a social media acct? Any forum, any public comment board? Or what is more traditionally called social media, Reddit/Facebook/Instagram/Snapchat/Twitter and the like? Is email social media?
    - kenshaw 10y ago
      Don't move! Put your hands up! It's an impossible to comply with demand, that gives the person evaluating entirety to claim compliance or non-compliance based on whim. Not a far cry from a poll test.

jrnichols 10y ago

True, and social media seems too quick to blame Trump for it. But a Democrat senator has been pushing for it for a while now. https://www.shaheen.senate.gov/news/press/shaheen-leads-letter-to-dhs-calling-for-social-media-background-checks-in-visa-screening-process https://www.shaheen.senate.gov/news/press/shaheen-leads-lett...