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Well, I'm very sorry your employees missed out on visiting NYC. As a NYC resident and as someone who has been to Paris many times, Paris is very nice. But peo

Well, I'm very sorry your employees missed out on visiting NYC. As a NYC resident and as someone who has been to Paris many times, Paris is very nice. But people that come to NYC have a much greater experience. In the past month I met both an Italian who came here for the first time and an Israeli and both of them were so happy to be here. I think your employer should schedule a trip to NYC for these 70 employees -- they must deserve it!

barking 10y ago
A recent story in Europe was that travellers entering the US could be forced to reveal social network passwords. No idea if that is true or not but it was a headline.
- davidf18 10y ago
  What do they call it now? Fake news? But here is a real story. I'm American and "member of the tribe" who has been to Israel many times as shown by the passport stamps, speaks Hebrew and I didn't arrive at Ben-Gurion airport in Tel Aviv to a Turkish Air flight to Istanbul 3 hours in advance of the flight. My take-on was packed away and I was strip searched down to my underwear. I was amused and happy for the security, but some people might be bothered by that.
  - Daishiman 10y ago
    Unlike the US, Israel and Turkey have been actively targeted by real, no-BS terrorist activity and their security measures are not the security theater that is the TSA, nor are their policies inspired by underlying racism but actual evidence-based security policy. I'm 100% sure it's unpleasant, but their motives are far more trustworthy than the TSA's.
    - davidf18 10y ago
      I would have been subject of a terrorist attack in Jerusalem in 2008 except that I bought a chocolate bar in a tiny store at the last minute. I picked up the chocolate bar and before I could give the cashier the money, ..... > I'm 100% sure it's unpleasant,... Well, for me, I am only too happy when there are these kinds of security measures.... Also, the screeners are all former military (even women in Israel are drafted) and have been trained to screen according to emotional response. (emotional prosody).
  - InitialLastName 10y ago
    Amused and happy seems like a misnomer when applied to overwhelmingly invasive, unnecessary procedures. Have they actually convinced you that this is improving security?
    - davidf18 10y ago
      Well, I don't believe the procedures to be unnecessary. Also, I am not a citizen of Israel but rather a guest, so anything to protect the citizens and other guests from terrorism. In my opinion, if US airport security was run according to Israeli standards, 9/11 would have been less likely.
      - InitialLastName 10y ago
        If they had locked and reinforced the cockpit doors, 9/11 wouldn't have happened. That's all it takes.
        squarefoot 10y ago
        Before 9/11 there was no perception of that necessity though.
        davidf18 10y ago
        Well, Israel had done it for quite some time thanks to terrorists hijacking their planes. Plane hijackings have been going on for other countries for some time. Also, IIRC, El-Al has an air martial (again former military in every case) on each flight.
      - logfromblammo 10y ago
        If US airport security was run according to Israeli standards, all international flights would have to go through one of two airports, on the east and west coasts, each of which would have to be larger than ORD, JFK, LAX, DFW, and ATL combined. The special school required to train the screeners would effectively be the largest college in the world. International tourism both in and out would shrink dramatically, as there are precious few religions that consider anywhere in the US to be special holy sites, and plenty of places to see in the US that don't require intensive security screening. No one I know would ever be amused by a strip search. The Israeli air travel strategy just doesn't scale up quite that well.
- e28eta 10y ago
  As far as I can tell, that's something the Trump admin has suggested would be a good idea, but isn't policy yet. However, they do conduct other electronic searches. https://www.eff.org/wp/digital-privacy-us-border-2017 https://www.eff.org/wp/digital-privacy-us-border-2017
  - irrational 10y ago
    I have no social media accounts. I would love to know what their protocol says to do if someone claims to not have any social media accounts.
    - plandis 10y ago
      Yet here you are posting on a public message board under (I'm assuming) your account :)
      - madebysquares 10y ago
        Then we get to debate what is constitutes as a social media acct? Any forum, any public comment board? Or what is more traditionally called social media, Reddit/Facebook/Instagram/Snapchat/Twitter and the like? Is email social media?
        kenshaw 10y ago
        Don't move! Put your hands up! It's an impossible to comply with demand, that gives the person evaluating entirety to claim compliance or non-compliance based on whim. Not a far cry from a poll test.
- jrnichols 10y ago
  True, and social media seems too quick to blame Trump for it. But a Democrat senator has been pushing for it for a while now. https://www.shaheen.senate.gov/news/press/shaheen-leads-letter-to-dhs-calling-for-social-media-background-checks-in-visa-screening-process https://www.shaheen.senate.gov/news/press/shaheen-leads-lett...
eCa 10y ago
> But people that come to NYC have a much greater experience. That's quite a statement. I certainly enjoyed my NYC trip a couple of years ago, but there are many european cities that I rather (re)visit before going back to the US. This is not only because of the current administration (though that doesn't help). People have different preferences.
- davidf18 10y ago
  NYC has a 24/365 hour Apple Store which reflects the vibrancy of the city 24/365. Need I say more? Europe is very beautiful. But for the creative energy and vibrancy NYC is the place to be.
  - dmode 10y ago
    Different strokes for different folks. I find NYC extremely overrated.
    - brightsize 10y ago
      "'We're Getting The Hell Out Of This Sewer,' Entire Populace Reports" http://www.theonion.com/article/84-million-new-yorkers-suddenly-realize-new-york-c-18003 http://www.theonion.com/article/84-million-new-yorkers-sudde...
  - btowngar 10y ago
    Yes, I really do think you need to say more. I'm certainly not convinced by the appeal of a 24/365 Apple Store...
    - dkersten 10y ago
      Its a negative to me because it highlights the consumerist attitude that seems to be prevalent in many parts of the US. The places that I personally felt where most culturally vibrant and interesting were typically the ones that are the least consumerist. But thats just me! Everyone has their own preferences.
  - 10y ago
tripzilch 10y ago
NYC was easily the worst part about visiting the Greater New England area, but to each their own. I mean sure it's interesting to see that world-famous city and spend a week in it. But that first breath of fresh air in a week, as we stepped out of the train in Beacon, that was really nice too (not the only thing I didn't like about NYC, compared to the surrounding area, actually I only noticed it as I stepped out, after a week).

barking 10y ago

A recent story in Europe was that travellers entering the US could be forced to reveal social network passwords. No idea if that is true or not but it was a headline.

davidf18 10y ago
What do they call it now? Fake news? But here is a real story. I'm American and "member of the tribe" who has been to Israel many times as shown by the passport stamps, speaks Hebrew and I didn't arrive at Ben-Gurion airport in Tel Aviv to a Turkish Air flight to Istanbul 3 hours in advance of the flight. My take-on was packed away and I was strip searched down to my underwear. I was amused and happy for the security, but some people might be bothered by that.
- Daishiman 10y ago
  Unlike the US, Israel and Turkey have been actively targeted by real, no-BS terrorist activity and their security measures are not the security theater that is the TSA, nor are their policies inspired by underlying racism but actual evidence-based security policy. I'm 100% sure it's unpleasant, but their motives are far more trustworthy than the TSA's.
  - davidf18 10y ago
    I would have been subject of a terrorist attack in Jerusalem in 2008 except that I bought a chocolate bar in a tiny store at the last minute. I picked up the chocolate bar and before I could give the cashier the money, ..... > I'm 100% sure it's unpleasant,... Well, for me, I am only too happy when there are these kinds of security measures.... Also, the screeners are all former military (even women in Israel are drafted) and have been trained to screen according to emotional response. (emotional prosody).
- InitialLastName 10y ago
  Amused and happy seems like a misnomer when applied to overwhelmingly invasive, unnecessary procedures. Have they actually convinced you that this is improving security?
  - davidf18 10y ago
    Well, I don't believe the procedures to be unnecessary. Also, I am not a citizen of Israel but rather a guest, so anything to protect the citizens and other guests from terrorism. In my opinion, if US airport security was run according to Israeli standards, 9/11 would have been less likely.
    - InitialLastName 10y ago
      If they had locked and reinforced the cockpit doors, 9/11 wouldn't have happened. That's all it takes.
      - squarefoot 10y ago
        Before 9/11 there was no perception of that necessity though.
        davidf18 10y ago
        Well, Israel had done it for quite some time thanks to terrorists hijacking their planes. Plane hijackings have been going on for other countries for some time. Also, IIRC, El-Al has an air martial (again former military in every case) on each flight.
    - logfromblammo 10y ago
      If US airport security was run according to Israeli standards, all international flights would have to go through one of two airports, on the east and west coasts, each of which would have to be larger than ORD, JFK, LAX, DFW, and ATL combined. The special school required to train the screeners would effectively be the largest college in the world. International tourism both in and out would shrink dramatically, as there are precious few religions that consider anywhere in the US to be special holy sites, and plenty of places to see in the US that don't require intensive security screening. No one I know would ever be amused by a strip search. The Israeli air travel strategy just doesn't scale up quite that well.
e28eta 10y ago
As far as I can tell, that's something the Trump admin has suggested would be a good idea, but isn't policy yet. However, they do conduct other electronic searches. https://www.eff.org/wp/digital-privacy-us-border-2017 https://www.eff.org/wp/digital-privacy-us-border-2017
- irrational 10y ago
  I have no social media accounts. I would love to know what their protocol says to do if someone claims to not have any social media accounts.
  - plandis 10y ago
    Yet here you are posting on a public message board under (I'm assuming) your account :)
    - madebysquares 10y ago
      Then we get to debate what is constitutes as a social media acct? Any forum, any public comment board? Or what is more traditionally called social media, Reddit/Facebook/Instagram/Snapchat/Twitter and the like? Is email social media?
      - kenshaw 10y ago
        Don't move! Put your hands up! It's an impossible to comply with demand, that gives the person evaluating entirety to claim compliance or non-compliance based on whim. Not a far cry from a poll test.
jrnichols 10y ago
True, and social media seems too quick to blame Trump for it. But a Democrat senator has been pushing for it for a while now. https://www.shaheen.senate.gov/news/press/shaheen-leads-letter-to-dhs-calling-for-social-media-background-checks-in-visa-screening-process https://www.shaheen.senate.gov/news/press/shaheen-leads-lett...

eCa 10y ago

> But people that come to NYC have a much greater experience. That's quite a statement. I certainly enjoyed my NYC trip a couple of years ago, but there are many european cities that I rather (re)visit before going back to the US. This is not only because of the current administration (though that doesn't help). People have different preferences.

davidf18 10y ago
NYC has a 24/365 hour Apple Store which reflects the vibrancy of the city 24/365. Need I say more? Europe is very beautiful. But for the creative energy and vibrancy NYC is the place to be.
- dmode 10y ago
  Different strokes for different folks. I find NYC extremely overrated.
  - brightsize 10y ago
    "'We're Getting The Hell Out Of This Sewer,' Entire Populace Reports" http://www.theonion.com/article/84-million-new-yorkers-suddenly-realize-new-york-c-18003 http://www.theonion.com/article/84-million-new-yorkers-sudde...
- btowngar 10y ago
  Yes, I really do think you need to say more. I'm certainly not convinced by the appeal of a 24/365 Apple Store...
  - dkersten 10y ago
    Its a negative to me because it highlights the consumerist attitude that seems to be prevalent in many parts of the US. The places that I personally felt where most culturally vibrant and interesting were typically the ones that are the least consumerist. But thats just me! Everyone has their own preferences.
- 10y ago

tripzilch 10y ago

NYC was easily the worst part about visiting the Greater New England area, but to each their own. I mean sure it's interesting to see that world-famous city and spend a week in it. But that first breath of fresh air in a week, as we stepped out of the train in Beacon, that was really nice too (not the only thing I didn't like about NYC, compared to the surrounding area, actually I only noticed it as I stepped out, after a week).