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You make good points. Airplanes used to have jump seats, fold down seats, specifically for accommodating these sorts of crew transfers, so that they wouldn't in

You make good points. Airplanes used to have jump seats, fold down seats, specifically for accommodating these sorts of crew transfers, so that they wouldn't interfere with normal passenger seating. I wonder if the jump seats were removed at some point in order to increase normal seating.

seanmcdirmid 10y ago
They still have those, but jump seat travel isn't considered safe by FAA regulations.
- ubernostrum 10y ago
  If you look in the /r/aviation threads you'll see various people who are airline crew claiming they can fly jumpseat but it's beneath them and they want their regular-seat privileges enforced at basically any cost.
  - ashark 10y ago
    Don't the jumpseats have more legroom? I thought the ones I'd seen did, just by not being part of the ordinary aisles and being smaller (slimmer back especially). I'd take a milking stool over the regular seats if it meant not having my knees jammed most of an inch into the seat in front of me (and I'm not even that tall).
    - seanmcdirmid 10y ago
      Where is the cabin crew supposed to sit during take off and landing if the jump seats are occupied by others? Also, this wasn't a 737, but a smaller plane.
  - ItsDeathball 10y ago
    This sounds plausible, and fits with the incident if basically no one trusts the airline to negotiate in good faith. Employees assume that if they don't make a fuss about getting a seat, then they'll have to fly jump-seat or standing-room-only from then on out. Likewise, passengers don't trust the airline offer of $800 and the next flight out for giving up their seat. I would have taken that offer if I could be assured it was legit, but I'd have a strong suspicion they'd deduct the cost of the flight and the hotel and give me what's left in the form of Chili's gift cards or something. With trust that low it was probably only a matter of time before a dispute escalated into unnecessary use of force.
    - ubernostrum 10y ago
      It's worse than that, really. I've got people on reddit telling me that policy -- which they say I can only read if I FOIA it, maybe -- is that all disputes with passengers are supposed to immediately escalate to police as a first and only resort. Because "9/11", apparently.
- yincrash 10y ago
  I have definitely been on Delta flights in the last year where crew in transit used the jumpseats.

seanmcdirmid 10y ago

They still have those, but jump seat travel isn't considered safe by FAA regulations.

ubernostrum 10y ago
If you look in the /r/aviation threads you'll see various people who are airline crew claiming they can fly jumpseat but it's beneath them and they want their regular-seat privileges enforced at basically any cost.
- ashark 10y ago
  Don't the jumpseats have more legroom? I thought the ones I'd seen did, just by not being part of the ordinary aisles and being smaller (slimmer back especially). I'd take a milking stool over the regular seats if it meant not having my knees jammed most of an inch into the seat in front of me (and I'm not even that tall).
  - seanmcdirmid 10y ago
    Where is the cabin crew supposed to sit during take off and landing if the jump seats are occupied by others? Also, this wasn't a 737, but a smaller plane.
- ItsDeathball 10y ago
  This sounds plausible, and fits with the incident if basically no one trusts the airline to negotiate in good faith. Employees assume that if they don't make a fuss about getting a seat, then they'll have to fly jump-seat or standing-room-only from then on out. Likewise, passengers don't trust the airline offer of $800 and the next flight out for giving up their seat. I would have taken that offer if I could be assured it was legit, but I'd have a strong suspicion they'd deduct the cost of the flight and the hotel and give me what's left in the form of Chili's gift cards or something. With trust that low it was probably only a matter of time before a dispute escalated into unnecessary use of force.
  - ubernostrum 10y ago
    It's worse than that, really. I've got people on reddit telling me that policy -- which they say I can only read if I FOIA it, maybe -- is that all disputes with passengers are supposed to immediately escalate to police as a first and only resort. Because "9/11", apparently.
yincrash 10y ago
I have definitely been on Delta flights in the last year where crew in transit used the jumpseats.