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Tesla presented the best in class Powerwall for an unbelievable cheap price. Everybody said at that time: impossible. Elon said: "We have this number of orders.

by PinguTS 10y ago

Tesla presented the best in class Powerwall for an unbelievable cheap price. Everybody said at that time: impossible. Elon said: "We have this number of orders." Actually, you never heard of any significant deliveries. Instead: "We have this new Powerwall 2". Already, the first version of Powerwall 2 is already dropped before deliveries happened. There is only marketing of single prototype large scale installations. The same with the solar shingle. Everybody tells: too expansive because of the expansive installation requirements because of the connectors. A (few) single panels are easier to install. But still Elon claimed the solar shingle will be cheaper than regular before energy payback.

aerovistae 10y ago
This Tesla press release at the time of the Powerwall 2 says quite clearly that 300 MWh of the first version had been deployed, or 46,000 units of the first Powerwall. https://www.tesla.com/blog/gaining-momentum-tesla-powerpack https://www.tesla.com/blog/gaining-momentum-tesla-powerpack Are you accusing the company of lying? Do you have any source to your accusations here? Kind of seems like you're making some claims to fit your pre-existing agenda without researching it at all.
- PinguTS 10y ago
  Fact checking: — May 2015 Tesla announced: 38,000 Pre-orders for the Powerwall and 2,500 pre-orders for the Powerpack, which would equate to 25,000 Powerwall http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/6/8561931/tesla-38000-powerwall-preorders-announced http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/6/8561931/tesla-38000-powerwa... — According to your PR Tesla installed until October 2016 300 MW. (38,000 + 25,000) by 7kW = 441MW (I know a rough calculation) That means, the pre-orders where received in 1 week. All the pre-orders fulfilled means, they never sold anything in addition to those first movers _AND_ they did not sold/installed any Powerpack. But as they installed also some large scale Powerpacks, that means they did not even fulfilled their pre-orders (or a significant amount got cancelled) _and_ they did not sold any Powerwall besides the pre-orders. Just a nice reminder, do your own research and double check numbers. Don't believe in PR only. EDIT: corrected the numbers
adventured 10y ago
> Actually, you never heard of any significant deliveries. > There is only marketing of single prototype large scale installations. Really? Whoops: November 2016: "Last month, Tesla confirmed that it delivered 300 MWh of batteries since launching Tesla Energy in May 2015. In the past 2 months alone, over 100 MWh of new Powerpack projects have been announced." And "Only a few weeks after announcing one of the biggest energy storage projects ever, Tesla Energy won again a massive energy storage contract. The automaker’s energy division will supply ‘Powerpacks’ to its energy storage deployment partner, Advanced Microgrid Solutions (AMS), for a major new project: a 7 MW / 34 MWh network of battery systems to support water treatment facilities of Irvine Ranch Water District (IRWD)." https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/tesla-and-ams-win-another-major-energy-storage-contract-34-mwh-of-battery-capacity-for-water-treatment-facilities/ https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/tesla-and-ams-win-another-maj... And "Tesla’s battery supply contract with Advanced Microgrid Solutions (AMS) is quickly proving to be accelerating the deployment of energy storage capacity. After announcing a major 34 MWh contract to deploy Powerpacks at water treatment facilities in California last month, AMS confirmed today that it will install new Powerpacks at buildings owned by Invesco." https://electrek.co/2016/11/02/new-tesla-powerpack-2-projects-to-be-deployed-through-ams-at-invescos-buildings/ https://electrek.co/2016/11/02/new-tesla-powerpack-2-project... And of course the Edison deal http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-tesla-energy-storage-20170131-story.html http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-tesla-energy-storage-2... And of course the Australia deal that is likely to happen And "Previous projects include a 12 MWh with Cal State University, another one for several office buildings in Irvine, and more recently, a 1 MW Powerpack system inside Morgan Stanley’s San Francisco skyscraper." It's pretty obvious they're scaling the business extremely quickly compared to the history of how extraordinarily slow energy storage technology has moved.
- PinguTS 10y ago
  Do not mix up Powerwall and Powerpack. Powerwall (2) is the actual product you can hopefully buy and get delivered. Powerpack is the actual product intended for large scale installation. But there, where only a few prototype projects. You can count them on one hand.

by PinguTS 10y ago

aerovistae 10y ago

This Tesla press release at the time of the Powerwall 2 says quite clearly that 300 MWh of the first version had been deployed, or 46,000 units of the first Powerwall. https://www.tesla.com/blog/gaining-momentum-tesla-powerpack https://www.tesla.com/blog/gaining-momentum-tesla-powerpack Are you accusing the company of lying? Do you have any source to your accusations here? Kind of seems like you're making some claims to fit your pre-existing agenda without researching it at all.

PinguTS 10y ago
Fact checking: — May 2015 Tesla announced: 38,000 Pre-orders for the Powerwall and 2,500 pre-orders for the Powerpack, which would equate to 25,000 Powerwall http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/6/8561931/tesla-38000-powerwall-preorders-announced http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/6/8561931/tesla-38000-powerwa... — According to your PR Tesla installed until October 2016 300 MW. (38,000 + 25,000) by 7kW = 441MW (I know a rough calculation) That means, the pre-orders where received in 1 week. All the pre-orders fulfilled means, they never sold anything in addition to those first movers _AND_ they did not sold/installed any Powerpack. But as they installed also some large scale Powerpacks, that means they did not even fulfilled their pre-orders (or a significant amount got cancelled) _and_ they did not sold any Powerwall besides the pre-orders. Just a nice reminder, do your own research and double check numbers. Don't believe in PR only. EDIT: corrected the numbers

adventured 10y ago

> Actually, you never heard of any significant deliveries. > There is only marketing of single prototype large scale installations. Really? Whoops: November 2016: "Last month, Tesla confirmed that it delivered 300 MWh of batteries since launching Tesla Energy in May 2015. In the past 2 months alone, over 100 MWh of new Powerpack projects have been announced." And "Only a few weeks after announcing one of the biggest energy storage projects ever, Tesla Energy won again a massive energy storage contract. The automaker’s energy division will supply ‘Powerpacks’ to its energy storage deployment partner, Advanced Microgrid Solutions (AMS), for a major new project: a 7 MW / 34 MWh network of battery systems to support water treatment facilities of Irvine Ranch Water District (IRWD)." https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/tesla-and-ams-win-another-major-energy-storage-contract-34-mwh-of-battery-capacity-for-water-treatment-facilities/ https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/tesla-and-ams-win-another-maj... And "Tesla’s battery supply contract with Advanced Microgrid Solutions (AMS) is quickly proving to be accelerating the deployment of energy storage capacity. After announcing a major 34 MWh contract to deploy Powerpacks at water treatment facilities in California last month, AMS confirmed today that it will install new Powerpacks at buildings owned by Invesco." https://electrek.co/2016/11/02/new-tesla-powerpack-2-projects-to-be-deployed-through-ams-at-invescos-buildings/ https://electrek.co/2016/11/02/new-tesla-powerpack-2-project... And of course the Edison deal http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-tesla-energy-storage-20170131-story.html http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-tesla-energy-storage-2... And of course the Australia deal that is likely to happen And "Previous projects include a 12 MWh with Cal State University, another one for several office buildings in Irvine, and more recently, a 1 MW Powerpack system inside Morgan Stanley’s San Francisco skyscraper." It's pretty obvious they're scaling the business extremely quickly compared to the history of how extraordinarily slow energy storage technology has moved.

PinguTS 10y ago
Do not mix up Powerwall and Powerpack. Powerwall (2) is the actual product you can hopefully buy and get delivered. Powerpack is the actual product intended for large scale installation. But there, where only a few prototype projects. You can count them on one hand.