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Tourists to US may get asked to hand in passwords or be denied entry

34 points by smb06 10y ago

lithos 10y ago
I know that I couldn't hand over passwords without consulting legal departments in multiple companies. Just from the NDAs that I've read. I'm sure there are a lot of people here (freelancers, engineers, programmers, and similar that customize solutions for external companies) that fall into the same category.
- Theodores 10y ago
  Ah but they wouldn't be 'tourists'.
  - clintonb 10y ago
    Yes they would. Some people co-mingle work and personal data on the same computer. Granting a third party access to the non-personal data might violate some NDAs. The obvious solution is to remove, or further encrypt, this private data.
  - tjbiddle 10y ago
    Why not? The NDA could be for a company in their home country.
  - gumby 10y ago
    Sure, people with jobs go on vacation too.
salesguy222 10y ago
May I suggest "Tourists might be asked"? Or even better, "US might ask tourists to hand in..."???? Get asked? Sure, the meaning is conveyed fine, but "get" is this mysterious slang construction from my generation that is fine for everyday conversation, in my opinion, but not from a reputable news outlet LOL
- wgjordan 10y ago
  Whatever your opinion on whether it's appropriately formal for a news article, the 'get-passive' [1] is definitely not 'this mysterious slang construction from my generation', unless you're a contemporary of Mark Twain. Here, 'get asked' conveys the additional meaning of an emphasis on the subject and a negative connotation of the action's effect on it, which 'be asked' would not convey. [1] http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/grammar/british-grammar/passive/get-passive http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/grammar/british-grammar/p...
  - salesguy222 10y ago
    Cool link, thank you. Ultimately people are allowed to express themselves in whatever way they wish, but this particular construction feels a bit obtuse, unnecessary, and as your link noted, informal. I was speaking with a linguist from my alma mater who said that "get" is a uniquely "millenial, valley girl" construction that has been popularized in our generation through schools and tv shows for teenagers. I don't see any of us praising "like", "kind of", vocal fry, upvoice, and etc?
teekert 10y ago
Hmm my passwords are in a keepassx database in Nextcloud. I don't have an app on my phone to read the database (nor do I have the keyfile). It seems I have quite some prepping to do if I don't plan to take my laptop to the US.
- mattnewton 10y ago
  Enjoy being detained until they give up because they don't understand you cannot comply with what they are asking. Or don't visit :(
  - maxerickson 10y ago
    Under this policy they would be denied entry, so the detention would only be until their flight out.
ilaksh 10y ago
I believe this can also be a problem for US citizen's coming over. If you don't unlock your phone they might take it and/or delay your entry with questioning. This border/airport security is just like the old fashioned Soviet/German stereotypical scenes. The problem is that propaganda about 'Muslim terrorists' is so effective people think that's what its about. All of that is a lie. This is about restricting freedoms in order to close down a country. The answer is don't come to the US if you value privacy (i.e. are human). The United States is becoming a repressive regime. Many people who have the means to do so are emigrating while it is still feasible.
- smb06 10y ago
  US citizens ARE being asked for passwords. 1)http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/12/14583124/nasa-sidd-bikkannavar-detained-cbp-phone-search-trump-travel-ban http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/12/14583124/nasa-sidd-bikkann... 2)http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/traveling-while-brown-u-s-border-agents-can-search-your-n732746 http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/traveling-while-brown-u-...
- pdkl95 10y ago
  > Many people who have the means to do so are emigrating while it is still feasible. While I understand the motivation of moving away while it's still possible, I question the utility of moving away from the country with too many nuclear weapons, a recent history of using drones to assassinate without sufficient attribution or regard for collateral damage, and a tendency to act erratically and emotionally when scared. > propaganda [...] is so effective It is, and it distorts consensus reality a lot more than most people believe. That said, I'm surprised at how strongly Trump/etc has motivated people to start participating in the political process. It should have happened been a decade ago, but better late than never. In particular, the strong reaction against the airport "Muslim ban" was encouraging. The problem I'm worried about is surveillance. The tech that already exists (including surveillance-as-a-business-model) combined with modern analysis techniques (machine learning) trivialize COINTELPRO-style targeting of political factions.
- tormeh 10y ago
  >The United States is becoming a repressive regime. Many people who have the means to do so are emigrating while it is still feasible. Extraordinary if true. What I have read is that there's a brain drain from Europe to the US. I guess it could reverse, but as long as American employers pay as well as they do and American universities have the research budgets that they do I don't think it will.
mcv 10y ago
"face detailed ideological questioning" That sounds scarily close to full-blown Stalinism having come to the US.
- philsnow 10y ago
  We've had homegrown McCarthyism for a long time, no need to import.
luckydude 10y ago
That's going to be great for tourism. Not.
thomastjeffery 10y ago
Honest question: why? What reason could they possibly have to do this? > Keeping America safe and enforcing our nation’s laws in an increasingly digital world depends on our ability to lawfully examine all materials entering the US Key word: materials. Data does not fall into that category. All I see is "extreme vetting". What, specifically, does that mean? How is any data a threat to national security?
chrismcb 10y ago
This isn't just about phones or other devices. But my worry, as an American, is reciprocity.

34 points by smb06 10y ago

I know that I couldn't hand over passwords without consulting legal departments in multiple companies. Just from the NDAs that I've read. I'm sure there are a lot of people here (freelancers, engineers, programmers, and similar that customize solutions for external companies) that fall into the same category.

Theodores 10y ago
Ah but they wouldn't be 'tourists'.
- clintonb 10y ago
  Yes they would. Some people co-mingle work and personal data on the same computer. Granting a third party access to the non-personal data might violate some NDAs. The obvious solution is to remove, or further encrypt, this private data.
- tjbiddle 10y ago
  Why not? The NDA could be for a company in their home country.
- gumby 10y ago
  Sure, people with jobs go on vacation too.

salesguy222 10y ago

May I suggest "Tourists might be asked"? Or even better, "US might ask tourists to hand in..."???? Get asked? Sure, the meaning is conveyed fine, but "get" is this mysterious slang construction from my generation that is fine for everyday conversation, in my opinion, but not from a reputable news outlet LOL

wgjordan 10y ago
Whatever your opinion on whether it's appropriately formal for a news article, the 'get-passive' [1] is definitely not 'this mysterious slang construction from my generation', unless you're a contemporary of Mark Twain. Here, 'get asked' conveys the additional meaning of an emphasis on the subject and a negative connotation of the action's effect on it, which 'be asked' would not convey. [1] http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/grammar/british-grammar/passive/get-passive http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/grammar/british-grammar/p...
- salesguy222 10y ago
  Cool link, thank you. Ultimately people are allowed to express themselves in whatever way they wish, but this particular construction feels a bit obtuse, unnecessary, and as your link noted, informal. I was speaking with a linguist from my alma mater who said that "get" is a uniquely "millenial, valley girl" construction that has been popularized in our generation through schools and tv shows for teenagers. I don't see any of us praising "like", "kind of", vocal fry, upvoice, and etc?

teekert 10y ago

Hmm my passwords are in a keepassx database in Nextcloud. I don't have an app on my phone to read the database (nor do I have the keyfile). It seems I have quite some prepping to do if I don't plan to take my laptop to the US.

mattnewton 10y ago
Enjoy being detained until they give up because they don't understand you cannot comply with what they are asking. Or don't visit :(
- maxerickson 10y ago
  Under this policy they would be denied entry, so the detention would only be until their flight out.

ilaksh 10y ago

I believe this can also be a problem for US citizen's coming over. If you don't unlock your phone they might take it and/or delay your entry with questioning. This border/airport security is just like the old fashioned Soviet/German stereotypical scenes. The problem is that propaganda about 'Muslim terrorists' is so effective people think that's what its about. All of that is a lie. This is about restricting freedoms in order to close down a country. The answer is don't come to the US if you value privacy (i.e. are human). The United States is becoming a repressive regime. Many people who have the means to do so are emigrating while it is still feasible.

smb06 10y ago
US citizens ARE being asked for passwords. 1)http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/12/14583124/nasa-sidd-bikkannavar-detained-cbp-phone-search-trump-travel-ban http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/12/14583124/nasa-sidd-bikkann... 2)http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/traveling-while-brown-u-s-border-agents-can-search-your-n732746 http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/traveling-while-brown-u-...
pdkl95 10y ago
> Many people who have the means to do so are emigrating while it is still feasible. While I understand the motivation of moving away while it's still possible, I question the utility of moving away from the country with too many nuclear weapons, a recent history of using drones to assassinate without sufficient attribution or regard for collateral damage, and a tendency to act erratically and emotionally when scared. > propaganda [...] is so effective It is, and it distorts consensus reality a lot more than most people believe. That said, I'm surprised at how strongly Trump/etc has motivated people to start participating in the political process. It should have happened been a decade ago, but better late than never. In particular, the strong reaction against the airport "Muslim ban" was encouraging. The problem I'm worried about is surveillance. The tech that already exists (including surveillance-as-a-business-model) combined with modern analysis techniques (machine learning) trivialize COINTELPRO-style targeting of political factions.
tormeh 10y ago
>The United States is becoming a repressive regime. Many people who have the means to do so are emigrating while it is still feasible. Extraordinary if true. What I have read is that there's a brain drain from Europe to the US. I guess it could reverse, but as long as American employers pay as well as they do and American universities have the research budgets that they do I don't think it will.

mcv 10y ago

"face detailed ideological questioning" That sounds scarily close to full-blown Stalinism having come to the US.

philsnow 10y ago
We've had homegrown McCarthyism for a long time, no need to import.

luckydude 10y ago

That's going to be great for tourism. Not.

thomastjeffery 10y ago

Honest question: why? What reason could they possibly have to do this? > Keeping America safe and enforcing our nation’s laws in an increasingly digital world depends on our ability to lawfully examine all materials entering the US Key word: materials. Data does not fall into that category. All I see is "extreme vetting". What, specifically, does that mean? How is any data a threat to national security?

chrismcb 10y ago

This isn't just about phones or other devices. But my worry, as an American, is reciprocity.