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Clearly you didn't read the article at all: they left used condoms, tissues, and empty bottles of wine all over the apartment. The owner had to clean it up, whi

by vosper 10y ago

Clearly you didn't read the article at all: they left used condoms, tissues, and empty bottles of wine all over the apartment. The owner had to clean it up, which was probably quite gross for him. That actually seems to be a big part of his complaint - he even says that if they hadn't made a mess he wouldn't have known what had happened, and would have probably accepted a repeat booking. I agree with your points, but consider reading TFA at least.

petre 10y ago
It's part of the trade when you run lodging spaces. Hotels also clean up after their customers.
- csydas 10y ago
  Well, strictly speaking AirBnB is not a hotel. Likewise, you're supposed to abide by house rules. I have no idea what the author had set for their rental, but I have yet to see an AirBnB posting that didn't ask that you please keep the place tidy. Given the enthusiastic response I got from my last host when my partner and I took the time to give the apartment a once-over when we left, I'm guessing that this is a persistent problem where guests just leave a place trashed. Some cleaning is obviously anticipated by the cleaning fees; you wash the linens, still give the place a good scrubbing between guests, etc., but I think it's fair to expect the guests to tidy up a little if you're upfront that this is part of the agreement on the listing. Likewise, even hotels will charge for outrageous damage or messes to their properties. Security deposits in the US for even really cheap hotels are pretty common, usually requiring a credit card with a $100 charge that is cancelled/returned later.
  - mirekrusin 10y ago
    Airbnb has deposit/protection. They should just charge professional cleaning if it was a mess, no?
    - csydas 10y ago
      Some do - I'm not really sure why it's relevant though, if you agree with the host that you'll keep the place tidy, and you don't, you're in breach of your agreement. It's not just a matter of throw money at it since it can impact business, especially for popular destinations or high tourist times when the places are booked solid for a few months. Having to be out a few days can throw off the schedule, which is crappy for the next guest and crappy for the host. It's not just about the initial money - really bad messes can affect more than just the host and cause problems you can't just solve with money. Too high of a deposit and no one will rent, but if someone's mess disrupts, then the deposit isn't enough to cover losses.
  - prostoalex 10y ago
    AirBnB has a concept of a cleaning fee that can be set by the owner. A reasonable cleaning fee, however, significantly raises the price for short-term stays (while amortizing better for longer stays), which leaves the AirBnB hosts with two choices: 1) Hire a professional cleaner, set cleaning fee, lose some short-term customers. 2) Do not set the cleaning fee, expect to do cleaning yourself, complain loudly in public when this turns up to be the case.
- branchless 10y ago
  But it's not a hotel. This is a dynamic entrepreneur, imaginearing to a better future. Rentiers don't do work like picking up things. They just collect the profits.
dazc 10y ago
"... he even says that if they hadn't made a mess he wouldn't have known what had happened, and would have probably accepted a repeat booking." Seems odd that they wouldn't have made an effort to clean-up since having a good profile is more or less essential to being able to rent another airbnb appt?
- chrischen 10y ago
  Only if you are a host. A paying user can get pretty much anything even with no reviews.
bambax 10y ago
> they left used condoms, tissues, and empty bottles of wine all over the apartment No. From the article: > I found used condom wrappers under the bed, I found the bin was overflowing with tissues and condoms. Not sure what "overflowing" means exactly in this context, but you can't read in the article that there were used condoms all over the apartment. A condom wrapper is just a piece of clean plastic, very different from a used condom. Also, what's the difference when people are having sex in your bed, whether they're married, friends, or engaged in pay-for-sex?
- johnchristopher 10y ago
  > Also, what's the difference when people are having sex in your bed, whether they're married, friends, or engaged in pay-for-sex? In the grand scheme of things there isn't but I suppose the plaintiff worried about being criminally associated with unlawful behaviour. People aren't machines, they have feelings and sometimes they project those on their belongings. I consider it normal to feel something upon learning you have been deceived by people not coming upfront about what they really were going to use your home for. I believe this has nothing to do with one's stance on prostitution.
  - pharrlax 10y ago
    >criminally associated with unlawful behaviour This is a crime? If a prostitute brings a john back to a hotel room, the police can arrest the hotel owner?
    - protomyth 10y ago
      Hotels have legal protections, Airbnb frequently violates the rules and I wouldn't want to be the person caught in the middle when a local prosecutor wants to make that point.
    - johnchristopher 10y ago
      I don't know about UK laws but where I live you would be suspected of helping and being active in a prostitution ring. But you are misquoting me a little bit.
zeroer 10y ago
I rent hotels and leave "condoms, tissues, and empty bottles of wine" all the time. That's what the staff is paid to clean up.
- foepys 10y ago
  > condoms, tissues Why don't you throw them into the trash bin that every hotel room has?
  - Dylan16807 10y ago
    Where did you get that implication? The article talked about them being in/on the trash can, and zeroer made no implication they had done anything different.
    - joombaga 10y ago
      "zeroer"? I haven't heard that term.
      - tqkxzugoaupvwqr 10y ago
        It's the username of a parent comment.
      - zeroer 10y ago
        I've never heard of a joombaga, so we're even.
        joombaga 10y ago
        Ha! My bad. I took it to mean something like "grand-parent commenter" and never checked your username.
whiddershins 10y ago
HN guidelines request that you do not imply a commenter has not read the original article.
- criddell 10y ago
  Are you insinuating that he didn't read the guidelines?

by vosper 10y ago

petre 10y ago

It's part of the trade when you run lodging spaces. Hotels also clean up after their customers.

csydas 10y ago
Well, strictly speaking AirBnB is not a hotel. Likewise, you're supposed to abide by house rules. I have no idea what the author had set for their rental, but I have yet to see an AirBnB posting that didn't ask that you please keep the place tidy. Given the enthusiastic response I got from my last host when my partner and I took the time to give the apartment a once-over when we left, I'm guessing that this is a persistent problem where guests just leave a place trashed. Some cleaning is obviously anticipated by the cleaning fees; you wash the linens, still give the place a good scrubbing between guests, etc., but I think it's fair to expect the guests to tidy up a little if you're upfront that this is part of the agreement on the listing. Likewise, even hotels will charge for outrageous damage or messes to their properties. Security deposits in the US for even really cheap hotels are pretty common, usually requiring a credit card with a $100 charge that is cancelled/returned later.
- mirekrusin 10y ago
  Airbnb has deposit/protection. They should just charge professional cleaning if it was a mess, no?
  - csydas 10y ago
    Some do - I'm not really sure why it's relevant though, if you agree with the host that you'll keep the place tidy, and you don't, you're in breach of your agreement. It's not just a matter of throw money at it since it can impact business, especially for popular destinations or high tourist times when the places are booked solid for a few months. Having to be out a few days can throw off the schedule, which is crappy for the next guest and crappy for the host. It's not just about the initial money - really bad messes can affect more than just the host and cause problems you can't just solve with money. Too high of a deposit and no one will rent, but if someone's mess disrupts, then the deposit isn't enough to cover losses.
- prostoalex 10y ago
  AirBnB has a concept of a cleaning fee that can be set by the owner. A reasonable cleaning fee, however, significantly raises the price for short-term stays (while amortizing better for longer stays), which leaves the AirBnB hosts with two choices: 1) Hire a professional cleaner, set cleaning fee, lose some short-term customers. 2) Do not set the cleaning fee, expect to do cleaning yourself, complain loudly in public when this turns up to be the case.
branchless 10y ago
But it's not a hotel. This is a dynamic entrepreneur, imaginearing to a better future. Rentiers don't do work like picking up things. They just collect the profits.

dazc 10y ago

"... he even says that if they hadn't made a mess he wouldn't have known what had happened, and would have probably accepted a repeat booking." Seems odd that they wouldn't have made an effort to clean-up since having a good profile is more or less essential to being able to rent another airbnb appt?

chrischen 10y ago
Only if you are a host. A paying user can get pretty much anything even with no reviews.

bambax 10y ago

> they left used condoms, tissues, and empty bottles of wine all over the apartment No. From the article: > I found used condom wrappers under the bed, I found the bin was overflowing with tissues and condoms. Not sure what "overflowing" means exactly in this context, but you can't read in the article that there were used condoms all over the apartment. A condom wrapper is just a piece of clean plastic, very different from a used condom. Also, what's the difference when people are having sex in your bed, whether they're married, friends, or engaged in pay-for-sex?

johnchristopher 10y ago
> Also, what's the difference when people are having sex in your bed, whether they're married, friends, or engaged in pay-for-sex? In the grand scheme of things there isn't but I suppose the plaintiff worried about being criminally associated with unlawful behaviour. People aren't machines, they have feelings and sometimes they project those on their belongings. I consider it normal to feel something upon learning you have been deceived by people not coming upfront about what they really were going to use your home for. I believe this has nothing to do with one's stance on prostitution.
- pharrlax 10y ago
  >criminally associated with unlawful behaviour This is a crime? If a prostitute brings a john back to a hotel room, the police can arrest the hotel owner?
  - protomyth 10y ago
    Hotels have legal protections, Airbnb frequently violates the rules and I wouldn't want to be the person caught in the middle when a local prosecutor wants to make that point.
  - johnchristopher 10y ago
    I don't know about UK laws but where I live you would be suspected of helping and being active in a prostitution ring. But you are misquoting me a little bit.

zeroer 10y ago

I rent hotels and leave "condoms, tissues, and empty bottles of wine" all the time. That's what the staff is paid to clean up.

foepys 10y ago
> condoms, tissues Why don't you throw them into the trash bin that every hotel room has?
- Dylan16807 10y ago
  Where did you get that implication? The article talked about them being in/on the trash can, and zeroer made no implication they had done anything different.
  - joombaga 10y ago
    "zeroer"? I haven't heard that term.
    - tqkxzugoaupvwqr 10y ago
      It's the username of a parent comment.
    - zeroer 10y ago
      I've never heard of a joombaga, so we're even.
      - joombaga 10y ago
        Ha! My bad. I took it to mean something like "grand-parent commenter" and never checked your username.

whiddershins 10y ago

HN guidelines request that you do not imply a commenter has not read the original article.

criddell 10y ago
Are you insinuating that he didn't read the guidelines?