5 ms·
There's really no excuse for any of the HN crowd to be running this garbage I wish this were true, but it just isn't, sorry. In reality there are excuses. E.g.
by stinos 10y ago
There's really no excuse for any of the HN crowd to be running this garbage
I wish this were true, but it just isn't, sorry. In reality there are excuses. E.g. we have both old and new hardware lying around which can only be programmed/debugged by Windows. There is no alternative except for maybe spending tons of man-hours trying to reverse engineer the shit out of it and come up with something vastly inferior (but, yay, runs on linux). Or again spending tons of time 'correcting' the original choice of these devices and entire eco-system built around it over the years and switch to something which does have linux support. So: no alternative. Less prominent alternative-wise but still going strong: Visual Studio. And also the pretty-much-everything-just-works principle. Now this doen't really make me love Windows, but does illustrate there are reasons for the HN crowd using it. (next to linux in my case).
- wheelerwj 10y agogive me one example of any legacy system that can only be debugged or accessed by a windows 10 computer and i will send you $100 in bitcoin, right now.
- stinos 10y agoI would, if I had made such claim. I already explained there is no strict 'can't do that' because given enough time there's always a way.
- deleted 10y ago[deleted]
- Sir_Cmpwn 10y agoNo. You choose to use Windows. You choose to use shitty hardware that doesn't work with free software. You choose to use Visual Studio (protip: dev on Linux is better than on Windows even without VS). You choose, and you have chosen wrong.
- stinos 10y agoHave I really? I'm verry happy with my job so that choice an sich wasn't wrong. Oh yes I started that job and entered into a world where it was mostly Windows (that, and the hardware had been chosen already btw). Well, it's ok for you to have the opinion that the young me was doing wrong by not having looked further for another job where there's no trace of Windows, but given that young me hardly even knew Linux existed that sounds pretty ridiculous. Also, stop making silly assumptions and giving false protips. You have no clue how much of my time is divided between Linux/Windows/Mac nor how much experience I have with developping on Linux, nor what kind of software, so your generalizations have no ear here.
- Sir_Cmpwn 10y agoYou're making plenty of assumptions about me. I started in the Microsoft world. I was a frequent attendee and speaker at local MS user groups and conferences, a volunteer at TechEd, and I sat on the review board for the C#, ASP.NET MVC, Entity Framework, and Azure certification exams. I have the same background as you and I still think you're wrong here.
- nebabyte 10y agoSo should we be filtering our applications to companies who are hiring by their dev environment? (Nah man I'm for it, let's kick the platform holy wars into gear again lol) As I mentioned elsewhere, idealism is all well and good but pragmatic realities are often all that the people 'in the intermediary' can or will concern themselves with. You're not going to make much headway convincing them that an available option that served their purposes was 'wrong'. Frankly, we're lucky to have Linus Torvalds et al. continuing development of the Linux kernel etc. as FOSS endeavours. Between the pushes for internet fast lanes, against it being a utility here, against hardware hacking, and so on, we're basically on borrowed time from corporate conglomerates having the right-of-way as far as tech governance goes. I wonder if the folks from the EFF will stick around once they can no longer avoid being outlitigated and outbankrolled at every turn, or if they have a backup country they're heading to.
- nebabyte 10y agoAirgap 7 for debugging/interoperability; refactor on a modern OS that isn't W10. Problem? If your business relies on legacy software that can't be refactored without prohibitive cost, you're probably about to be 'disrupted' by something anyway.
- stinos 10y agoyou're probably about to be 'disrupted' by something anyway Obviously. But by that time we'll have switched to something better already.
- Beltiras 10y agoI have a mission-critical DLL with functionality I can't replicate due to patents. It's not about cost. It's due to the patent holder not wanting an alternative in the market place.
- hedora 10y agoThis actually sounds like a good use for WINE. If the DLL has few external dependencies, it could probably be made reliable enough for mission critical stuff.
- Beltiras 10y agoI'd have to pass validation on a non-conforming platform according to the manufacturers documentation. Good luck with convincing regulatory bodies of that.....
- marcosdumay 10y agoUnless you crack it somehow, 7 does not work airgaped.