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I bought a 2015 mbp a couple weeks after the 2016 mbps were announced. Apparently I was one of many! Apple increased the price $500 (dongles, the stupid touch

by x0x0 10y ago

I bought a 2015 mbp a couple weeks after the 2016 mbps were announced. Apparently I was one of many! Apple increased the price $500 (dongles, the stupid touch bar) while stripping out stuff I use every day (magnetic charger, usb-A, good battery life) and giving me nothing in return (32g ram?). Also, they force a dedicated gpu, which I've had die; for both battery life and reliability, you're better off without. Meanwhile we had smarmy folks like Gruber carrying Apple's water and doing the "nobody really needs more than 16g ram" nonsense. (This from a man who, um, writes a blog. Yeah, those kilobytes of text must really push a computer to the limit.) Until this announcement, I assumed, based on the neglect of the mac pro and mac os, that Apple was basically going to just run out the mac business. I had started trying to figure out what my next computer was going to be after a decade of macs, and was pretty bummed by the options. Hopefully they're serious about this. If they're looking for other things they could do, may I suggest doubling down on fixing mac os quality issues. And hey, maybe even hire the homebrew folks.

9935c101ab17a66 10y ago
1) Equivalently specced 15" MacBooks are equivalently priced (versus when I bought my 2012 15" MacBook Pro Retina) 2) When the first MacBook Pro Retinas came out, they only shipped with dGPU. Only after they had been out for a while did a non-dGPU version ship. 3) A $10 USB-C -> USB-A dongle is, IMO, not too much to ask to have four future-orientated ports that can all charge my computer 4) "Giving me nothing in return" -> So you don't want a dGPU, but somehow require 32GB of ram? Seems like a strange use case. 5) Battery life has been shown to be equivalent or better (in most cases better), even by Consumer Reports who retracted their previous critical report and then posted a very flattering article praising the battery life. There are some problems with the new macbook pros, and I'm all for having a frank discussion of the problems, but your critiques are misguided and poorly reasoned. It's like you just did a survey of critical clickbaity article headlines and smashed them into one specious diatribe.
timc3 10y ago
I am totally in the same boat, and totally agree with you though I haven’t bothered to even think about getting a new MBP in the last year, just going to use this 2013 model until it dies. And I need a new workstation for more intensive workloads than any MacBook Pro can handle, and have been holding off on what to get.
Doctor_Fegg 10y ago
They did hire the Homebrew folks. Max Howell, Homebrew's creator, was famously rejected by Google and then hired by Apple. It's pretty presumptuous to assume you know what John Gruber does with his Mac. I suspect he might sometimes open an app other than BBEdit.
- x0x0 10y ago
  It wasn't presumptuous for Gruber to tell me what I need in a computer? OK then. And I know mxcl works for Apple, but not on homebrew. The lead maintainer works, I think, at GitHub? Edit: in fact, from the commit logs, mxcl doesn't seem to have been much involved in homebrew in years. It's a poor show for github to seemingly be more interested in helping make macs work well for developers rather than Apple, imo... https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/graphs/contributors https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/graphs/contributors
  - refulgentis 10y ago
    mxcl hasn't worked at Apple in quite a while. I'm not sure Apple would ever give him marching orders on an open source project that he wasn't "much involved in...in years", including years before his Apple employment.

by x0x0 10y ago

9935c101ab17a66 10y ago

1) Equivalently specced 15" MacBooks are equivalently priced (versus when I bought my 2012 15" MacBook Pro Retina) 2) When the first MacBook Pro Retinas came out, they only shipped with dGPU. Only after they had been out for a while did a non-dGPU version ship. 3) A $10 USB-C -> USB-A dongle is, IMO, not too much to ask to have four future-orientated ports that can all charge my computer 4) "Giving me nothing in return" -> So you don't want a dGPU, but somehow require 32GB of ram? Seems like a strange use case. 5) Battery life has been shown to be equivalent or better (in most cases better), even by Consumer Reports who retracted their previous critical report and then posted a very flattering article praising the battery life. There are some problems with the new macbook pros, and I'm all for having a frank discussion of the problems, but your critiques are misguided and poorly reasoned. It's like you just did a survey of critical clickbaity article headlines and smashed them into one specious diatribe.

timc3 10y ago

I am totally in the same boat, and totally agree with you though I haven’t bothered to even think about getting a new MBP in the last year, just going to use this 2013 model until it dies. And I need a new workstation for more intensive workloads than any MacBook Pro can handle, and have been holding off on what to get.

Doctor_Fegg 10y ago

They did hire the Homebrew folks. Max Howell, Homebrew's creator, was famously rejected by Google and then hired by Apple. It's pretty presumptuous to assume you know what John Gruber does with his Mac. I suspect he might sometimes open an app other than BBEdit.

x0x0 10y ago
It wasn't presumptuous for Gruber to tell me what I need in a computer? OK then. And I know mxcl works for Apple, but not on homebrew. The lead maintainer works, I think, at GitHub? Edit: in fact, from the commit logs, mxcl doesn't seem to have been much involved in homebrew in years. It's a poor show for github to seemingly be more interested in helping make macs work well for developers rather than Apple, imo... https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/graphs/contributors https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/graphs/contributors
- refulgentis 10y ago
  mxcl hasn't worked at Apple in quite a while. I'm not sure Apple would ever give him marching orders on an open source project that he wasn't "much involved in...in years", including years before his Apple employment.