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Has this other evidence even been presented yet? edit: given that even a simple question was downvoted, I can only conclude that there are likely a lot of Goog

Has this other evidence even been presented yet? edit: given that even a simple question was downvoted, I can only conclude that there are likely a lot of Google employees downvoting anything that doesn't support Google's side in this dispute.

matt4077 10y ago
I downvoted you because–considering your strong opinions–it seems unlikely that this is a question asked in good faith. And even if, it is answered both in the article, as well as pretty much implied in the headline. GOOG-ACCOUNTING-REF:3FX/ASTRO/15/TURFWAR/PROJECTSOROS
- life_on_mars 10y ago
  The document in question was found on the personal laptop of a different former Waymo engineer. This neither supports nor refutes the original evidence Google claims to have regarding 14,000 files they claim that Lewandowsky downloaded. They should have to present that evidence publicly first before discovery, otherwise this looks like just a fishing expedition. In 2017, it's not uncommon to do work on your personal machine and handle personal issues on your work machine. In 2017, interfaces encourage archiving documents instead of deleting them, so it's not uncommon for people to still have documents they've long since forgotten about. I wouldn't be surprised if searches of the personal machines of most people in the world would turn up documents that belonged to that person's previous employers. Here's an experiment: If you acquired your current personal laptop prior to leaving one or more past employers, try searching your personal machine and personal email for documents or information that belong to any of your former employers. I suspect that many people would find at least one document showing up accidentally.
nl 10y ago
Has this other evidence even been presented yet? Yes it has - or at least enough that the judge found it compelling. I'd speculate it was something like download logs or something. From the reporting of the story I've read there doesn't seem to be anyone arguing that Lewandowsky didn't access the files. The question seems to be about if they made it to Uber. I any case I don't think that is relevant to the question regrading the 5th amendment, and I suspect that is why you are being downvoted. Lewandowsky and Uber's interests don't align here. It's pretty easy to see a scenario where Uber loses this case and then sues Lewandowsky. Of course Uber wants Lewandowsky to give up his rights here. Lewandowsky has some pretty complex trade-offs to consider. given that even a simple question was downvoted, I can only conclude that there are likely a lot of Google employees downvoting anything that doesn't support Google's side in this dispute. I'm not sure how you figure that. I'd imagine it would be Uber employee's downvoting you, since your question really shows the big problems Uber is facing.

matt4077 10y ago

I downvoted you because–considering your strong opinions–it seems unlikely that this is a question asked in good faith. And even if, it is answered both in the article, as well as pretty much implied in the headline. GOOG-ACCOUNTING-REF:3FX/ASTRO/15/TURFWAR/PROJECTSOROS

life_on_mars 10y ago
The document in question was found on the personal laptop of a different former Waymo engineer. This neither supports nor refutes the original evidence Google claims to have regarding 14,000 files they claim that Lewandowsky downloaded. They should have to present that evidence publicly first before discovery, otherwise this looks like just a fishing expedition. In 2017, it's not uncommon to do work on your personal machine and handle personal issues on your work machine. In 2017, interfaces encourage archiving documents instead of deleting them, so it's not uncommon for people to still have documents they've long since forgotten about. I wouldn't be surprised if searches of the personal machines of most people in the world would turn up documents that belonged to that person's previous employers. Here's an experiment: If you acquired your current personal laptop prior to leaving one or more past employers, try searching your personal machine and personal email for documents or information that belong to any of your former employers. I suspect that many people would find at least one document showing up accidentally.

nl 10y ago

Has this other evidence even been presented yet? Yes it has - or at least enough that the judge found it compelling. I'd speculate it was something like download logs or something. From the reporting of the story I've read there doesn't seem to be anyone arguing that Lewandowsky didn't access the files. The question seems to be about if they made it to Uber. I any case I don't think that is relevant to the question regrading the 5th amendment, and I suspect that is why you are being downvoted. Lewandowsky and Uber's interests don't align here. It's pretty easy to see a scenario where Uber loses this case and then sues Lewandowsky. Of course Uber wants Lewandowsky to give up his rights here. Lewandowsky has some pretty complex trade-offs to consider. given that even a simple question was downvoted, I can only conclude that there are likely a lot of Google employees downvoting anything that doesn't support Google's side in this dispute. I'm not sure how you figure that. I'd imagine it would be Uber employee's downvoting you, since your question really shows the big problems Uber is facing.