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Ghost in the Shell
- draw_down 10y agoThe visuals in this movie were incredible, particularly the cityscape.
- Taylor_OD 10y agoI saw the 4:00PM 3D showing at the IMAX theater near Time Square. It was a truly amazing experience seeing that city and then stepping out into a city that was different but not quite that different.
- dewey 10y agoThis looks a lot like the screen savers that are currently running in Apple stores. I tried to extract it at some point because it looked great but couldn't find the file on the machines there.
- gnicholasgreen 10y agoThe "solograms" were an amazing addition to the movie. My friend and I both commented on them walking out of the theater. The visuals in the film we're really well done, in my opinion. In fact, I really enjoyed the movie as a great throwback to coming of age on cyberpunk material such as Snowcrash, Neuromancer, Ghost in the Shell, et al., whitewashing politics be damned.
- ideonexus 10y agoThe whitewashing didn't bother me, but the stupidwashing was offensive. Hollywood took one of the deepest, most brilliant cyberpunk classics and dumbed it down to the point of being insulting. I've been recommending to my friends that they stay away from this film to prevent them having a bad impression of GitS. Instead, I am recommending they watch every episode and movie in the original GitS. Watch many of them multiple times to appreciate just how innovative this series is even today.
- cuillevel3 10y agoWell it was only 106 minutes long. Actually felt more like 90 minutes. I think it was great, I didn't expect a cinema blockbuster to perfectly sum up more than a decade of GitS canon. I want to see it again, just for the visuals.
- spectistcles 10y agoThey didn't need to sum up the full canon, they needed to like... have any part of it? The original animation accomplished more with the story in less time.
- YCAU 10y agoThe effects were cool, but I wish they hadn't randomly remixed elements from the franchise with a story that directly goes against the themes of the original. Then ending was diametrically opposed to the ending of the original. While I think the effects were great, the intellectual treatment reminds me of the knife throwing scene in the Starship Troopers adaptation...
- andreyk 10y agoInteresting. As a big fan of the original and to a lesser extent the show, I actually liked and was impressed by how deftly they combined and remixed elements from different incarnations of Ghost In The Shell. Many seem to criticize this adaptation for not exploring the same themes or reaching the same conclusions as the original, but I was pleasantly surprised they did something new and did not just try to replicate the original. It's different, but to me also seems to be very much 'in the spirit' of the source material.
- mgarfias 10y agoI loved it. Also, my wife who was never able to grasp the original movie "got" this immediately.
- lazzlazzlazz 10y agoThat's because the new one was essentially simplified to the level of a Robocop cliché. It was really embarrassing to see how limited movie producers believe our imaginations are. The original Ghost in the Shell is still difficult for many to grasp because the core theme around the essential features of identity are not yet culturally available to everyone.
- mgarfias 10y agoI didn't get that at all. Both still ask what it means to be human. This just asked it in a slightly different way that made it more accessible. Mostly her beefs with the original was be lack of things that explain what's going on. This movie made those things more accssible.
- sergj 10y agoYes the effects were great. Especially the city, but come on how could the story in the movie be sooo weak! Instead of an kickass army verteran we got Scarlett Johannson playing a little girl.
- kbenson 10y ago> Instead of an kickass army verteran we got Scarlett Johannson playing a little girl. Isn't that canon? IIRC, in Stand Alone Complex they talk about how the Major is most at home in her cybernetic body and has been there the longest because she was forced to as a small child. Then again, I haven't seen the movie yet, so perhaps I'm not quite getting the extent of the difference.
- jpt4 10y agoIn the second season of the series (2nd Gig), the Major's cyberization since childhood becomes a plot point because she slips from her insouciant, super class-A wizard hacker/super soldier default. The Major exudes, at least in the animated versions, first and foremost an attitude of liquid nitrogen cool.
- 6nf 10y agoIn the new movie Major is only a year into her cybernetic body, and she's very unsure of herself.
- kbenson 10y agoAh, yes, that would make the complaint somewhat valid then.
- swang 10y agoI don't recall the animated movie mentioning it but Stand Alone Complex series she was part of a UN task force, and it's heavily implied she had much more experience before that.
- slavik81 10y agoIn the backstory of Stand Alone Complex, they showed she struggled with her body but through practice eventually mastered it. She came to lead the Section 9 team due to the skills she honed. In the live action movie, she's the best solely because of the unique technology that she's given. She doesn't see herself even as having the ability for self-improvement. I found the changes to her character to be very depressing.
- whywhywhywhy 10y agoShocked Ash Thorp had anything to do with the remake, thought he understood the original film better than this. Taking his self initiated GITS project into consideration.
- ngcc_hk 10y agoI quite like it as a story telling and thought provoking one. It is different yes. But movie is different. The original one is deeper but more confusing ... This simplify a bit. It is ok. Sad it is doing so bad in theatre.
- ngcc_hk 10y agoI quite like it as a story telling and thought provoking one. It is different yes. But movie is different. The original one is deeper but more confusing ... This simplify a bit. It is ok. Sad it is doing so bad in theatre.
- mathewsanders 10y agoA theatre in New York was showing the 1995 film, so I watched it for first time on big screen on Wednesday, then saw the live action on Friday (first time I can remember going to a film on opening day in New York and having an almost empty audience). I was prepared for a new interpretation of the material, and that never bothered me because between the films and TV series it's always been a bit confusing to me if there ever has been a cannon story, but have always really loved the match of philosophical ideas of mind and the visual atmosphere (and the spider tanks are just great fun). Opening sequence of this film I was really excited because it was visually stunning, but 5 mins later I was questioning if I should stay or leave because the dialog was really really bad. I stayed because I really wanted to like this adaption but I felt like it was 2 hours of my life wasted, I wouldn't recommend any of my friends to watch this, even later when it's released digitally.
- ekianjo 10y agoGhost in the shell from Oshii was very much a philosophical movie. I had zero expectations that Hollywood could really do anything that matched it. Just as expected.
- digitalzombie 10y agoThey should have gave it to the Wachowskis to do it. They would have done it justice.
- bane 10y agoI haven't seen it yet, but have been hearing about the story changes. My take is that the original story is fairly complicated for many audiences to grasp. I had to watch the movie a handful of times to really start to get the philosophical ideas in it. It's likely they wanted to simplify and clean up the ideas to make it more palatable to a wider audience. Probably a mistake IMHO, the Matrix after all showed that huge audiences will turn out for awesome action scenes and setting and philosophical jibber jabber without complaint.
- donretag 10y agoI would love to know what the song/music being played during the video is. Soundhound and Shazam both came up empty. Very Philip Glass-esque. EDIT: skimmed through the Spotify playlist. Not there.
- mathewsanders 10y agoThe composer is Kenji Kawai, check out this live performance: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z64HCi2rQkE https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z64HCi2rQkE Edit: oops just realised you were referencing the music in the post video, which I don't know the origin. But that live performance is still really good :) Edit #2: The track is 'Plastiglomerate & Co' https://soundcloud.com/b-e-b-e-t-u-n-e/plastiglomerate-co https://soundcloud.com/b-e-b-e-t-u-n-e/plastiglomerate-co
- darod 10y agoadaptation after adaptation after adaptation. it seems as if hollywood has lost new stories to tell. i thoroughly enjoyed the first one and, based on the trailer alone, refuse to see the remake especially considering who was cast for the lead. I love scarlett but she is not the major.
- Animats 10y agoGreat concept art. Blurry final output. The director, for some reason, wanted the backgrounds blurred. The parent article shows the detail was there, but it's not in the final film. I saw it in 3D and XD (midway between regular and IMAX), and it was kind of painful. Avoid the 3D version.
- white-flame 10y agoI haven't seen the movie, but somebody really needs to turn down the artificial film grain in the linked video here. That's always been a completely unnecessary, distracting, and detail-killing option that I've never seen value in. Unless there's some stylization required for artificial aging or something, visuals should be as clear as the union of all sources can muster. Modern digital cinematic cameras have almost no film grain effect compared to old actual film, especially since we're usually talking about 24fps and studio lighting.
- intoverflow2 10y ago>I haven't seen the movie, but somebody really needs to turn down the artificial film grain in the linked video here. This is more likely to be render noise from pre-production tests.
- mrob 10y agoBefore I was born, many directors tried to keep as much of the shot in focus as possible. Deep focus is both a technical challenge, because it requires brighter lighting, and an artistic challenge because it makes composition of the shots more difficult. You need to pay attention to the background so there's no distracting things behind the actor's heads, for example. You can't get away with shoddy sets. And it's more difficult for the actors. They can't improvise movement and let the photographer track them, they have to exactly follow their planned movements so they line up with the background correctly. I don't have any statistics for it, but it seems shallow focus is more popular now. But I think shallow focus is lazy and insulting to the audience. If your foreground action isn't compelling enough for me to watch then the solution is to make it better, not blur the background so I have nothing else to watch. Deep focus looks more realistic. In real life I can choose to look at the background details, and I want that option in film. I want to see more use of deep focus. With the availability of high CRI LED lighting the technical challenge is much reduced now.
- make3 10y agoI really liked this movie.. I truly don't understand all the flack it's getting.. Probably because I expected very little (because of the review scores) and it was really not close to as bad as I expected..
- gtirloni 10y agoSame here. To me books > anime > movies. So I was prepared to be disappointed. By the end of the movie, I was really impressed. I think they did justice to the original.
- greydius 10y agoSame here. The original is one of my favorite films, so I went in expecting to be disappointed, but it wasn't that bad. The story is different, but they made an effort to preserve some of the themes and kept the "Hollywood dumbing down" to a minimum. And it was cool to see some of the iconic scenes from the original brought to life.
- glenneroo 10y agoIt seems like expectations for watching movies tends to produce the opposite result. I have been trying to trick my friends into having false expectations before we watch a movie to test this hypothesis, but I'm a horrible liar and they always manage to see right through my shenanigans.
- pacomerh 10y agoI really liked it too. I wasn't comparing it to the original, I saw it as its own thing and I really enjoyed it. It's artsy, techy and there's a good amount of fashion and attention to detail involved.
- pound 10y agoI just returned from watching it. I on purpose haven't read any reviews (had to pretty much ignore facebook for couple of weeks) and first 15 minutes I was ready to be upset. Dialogues were not very promising, visually movie didn't felt deep and dark (nice pretty boy Batou, overdone holograms in city-scapes, no distinct music). But then it became so much better. References to GITS and GITS:Innocence are plenty but nicely done. Visually it became feast for my eyes, I really enjoyed it after all. THough still: holograms are not needed and there is no OST at all.
- equalunique 10y agoAll 42 hours of the Ghost In The Shell animations from 1995 to 2006 can be strung together into cannon. It's all compatible. Both the 2015 stuff and this 2017 movie unfortunately conflict which what came before. Disappointing to me as a fan that what was achieved over 11 years has been undone and forsaken in recent adaptations of the franchise. Frankly, I'm angry Holywood is making millions from this.
- jzelinskie 10y ago>All 42 hours of the Ghost In The Shell animations from 1995 to 2006 can be strung together into cannon. Can it? https://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=rel&aid=61 https://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=rel&aid=61
- equalunique 10y agoEverything to the right on that diagram came after 2006. I don't believe the story line to GITS 2: Innocence excludes Stand Alone Complex. If the person who made that diagram believed there was a reason, they omitted it in the diagram.
- viraptor 10y agoIf you look at the books, there are a few alternative worlds, backstories, and incompatible canons. Just like the Alternative Architecture. I think a lot of people know only the GitS series/ original movies and expect the rest to be as consistent. It isn't.
- pdkl95 10y agoI don't know if I can watch the new live action movie. I saw GitS in 1996 in the only theater in the Bay Area that actually had the original 35mm release (before Manga Entertainment's first VHS release). A friend of mine and maybe three other people were in the audience in the small theater in downtown San Jose. Seeing GitS that afternoon had a huge[1] influence on my life. How big was GitS's influence? During the ~decade I spent trying to make several anime conventions more efficient and sane, I learned (out of necessity) SQL, Ruby, Postscript, and the art of improvising[1]. With the comments about how they watered down the story in the new live action version, I suspect I should probably ignore it, even if it looks great. Regarding visual quality, however, I suspect most people that saw the original animated film saw it in standard definition (VHS, DVD, etc). Those releases ruined a lot of the detail. The city backgrounds had an incredible amount of detail in the full 35mm version or modern HD re-release. I highly recommend watching (in 1080p) nerdwriter1's brief discussion[2] of Mamoru Oshii's use of detail to define the space of the city as a cyberpunk heterotopia. [1] "What do you mean you forgot to buy the right labels for our badge printers?! There are over 4000 people in line and we're about to open! ... Fine, send anybody available to the two nearest Fry's and buy out their stock. In the meantime, I'm going to see if I can rewrite the Postscript template to work on last year's printers with different size labels in the next ~15min." [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXTnl1FVFBw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXTnl1FVFBw
- equalunique 10y agoYou're not the only one who will not be seeing this new film. I learned this after Star Wars: The Force Awakens. As someone who has absorbed much of the Extended Universe eratta, it physically hurt to watch that movie. The story overrode much of what Disney relegated to "Star Wars Legends" - this is an experience not worth re-living with GITS.
- amorphid 10y agoIf it helps, I saw it. If you hadn't need the original, you might think it was OK. I was mildly entertained, but not impressed.
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- chx 10y agoEvery time you are making a movie you need to answer the question: why am I making this? Especially when doing a remake, what I have found missing from the original material that I think requires filling. Perhaps there's a prequel story to be told (Planet of Apes), perhaps I want to depict a version closer to how it could've happened in real life (True Grit) and so forth. If your answer is "well I want to make money" then don't do it. Tell me true, what is the answer for this one? Ps. If your answer is, well the original movie was funny but didn't have enough crotch jokes then especially don't do it.
- radley 10y agoThe irony is that GitS has done massively well with updating the premise and finding new plots that leverage the society and technology of the era. Some folks didn't like the Arise OVA - I loved them, especially the 5.1 opening credits music. I found it to be a fresh and unpredictable prequel - which is rare this late in the game. The Hollywood movie - nobody was talking about what made GitS click. It just seemed to be lots of tribute for the original. So much more has happened since 1995....
- xiii1408 10y agoWhy does this include the skyline and flag of Hong Kong... I thought Ghost in the Shell was in Japan.
- zhte415 10y agoThe original was also in HK.
- xiii1408 10y agoOh, wow! Silly me. I had assumed the original was set in Tokyo, and I looked around to see if I can find anything about setting before posting this, but couldn't find anything.
- iwintermute 10y agoIt was modeled after HK, but it wasn't HK
- jungletek 10y agoFrom the Wikipedia page: "Oshii based the setting for Ghost in the Shell on Hong Kong. Oshii commented that his first thought to find an image of the future setting was an Asian city, but finding a suitable cityscape of the future would be impossible. Oshii chose to use the real streets of Hong Kong as his model.[9] He also said that Hong Kong was the perfect subject and theme for the film with its countless signs and the cacophony of sounds.[6] The film's mecha designer Takeuchi Atsushi noted that while the film does not have a chosen setting, it is obviously based on Hong Kong because the city represented the theme of the film, the old and the new which exist in a strange relationship in an age of an information deluge. Before shooting the film, the artists drew sketches that emphasized Hong Kong's chaotic, confusing and overwhelming aspects." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell_(1995_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell_(1995_film)
- irln 10y agoJust saw it tonight and can't understand why all the critics panned it. By today's standards of what makes a good movie I thought it was great.
- godmodus 10y agoMost if not all GIS fans have seen the original. There's no use to compare it to lower standards. A reference point already exists, and makes it difficult.
- toyg 10y agoHaving read the manga more than 20 years ago, I barely remember it beyond a few bits, so I've decided that I won't watch this movie until I've re-read the source material. To be honest I wasn't a big fan of further stuff like Stand Alone Complex and found the second film unintelligible (but it might have been bad subtitles), so I'm not exactly a zealot.
- aminorex 10y agoIt is not a retelling, so the plot doesn't help to refresh. It is an attempt to capture the vision and feel of the action scenarios and art work. In that it was brilliant. I will see it again.
- jonah 10y agoAdam Savage did a few Tested videos on some of the costumes and props which you may be interested in watching. (Either before or after you've seen the film if you care about that kind of thing.) Adam Savage Behind the Scenes of Ghost in the Shell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KosBvDyWgnA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KosBvDyWgnA How Weta Workshop Made Ghost In The Shell's Thermoptic Suit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbCyXVEVpKk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbCyXVEVpKk How Weta Workshop Made Ghost in the Shell's Robot Skeleton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxUoqIrXd9E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxUoqIrXd9E
- nialv7 10y agoThe visuals of this film is stunning. It's probably justified to watch the movie just for the visuals.
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- Pica_soO 10y agoI think the problem the movie crew faced, was that GitS basically needs something like the Marvel Universe stretching to retell the story. Most of the episodes of GitS2 would have made for a Stand Alone movie. So what to do? The original is in particular running against the usual hollywood conventions. There is no visible villain, until late, then the villian turns out to be a grey area guy, hunted by other grey area guys. >the culture series is longing for a movie Honestly, i hate it when book SciFi gets put into movie shape. Its rarely looks like i imagined it.
- Asooka 10y agoYeah, they tried to change GitS around by picking the aesthetics, but putting a traditional hollywood action flick plot on top. Even disregarding, the autismal ire from the weaboo crowd, it's still a bit flat. I hope the lesson people pick from this disaster (movie made barely 60% of its expenditures during opening week), is not that anime fans are impossible to please, but that people like good engaging movies and just aping the facade of something successful doesn't mean you've captured its spirit.
- jrimbault 10y ago> but that people like good engaging movies and just aping the facade of something successful doesn't mean you've captured its spirit I feel amateurs of cinematography have been saying that for years, but evidently some market analysis must have proven that "wrong" for studio executives. In a very big machine, like those studios, the level of craftsmanship -on all levels- will be very high while the artistry of it will fade behind the marketing goal.
- wnkrshm 10y ago> but evidently some market analysis must have proven that "wrong" for studio executives I think that might have been the Transformers movie series and similar successful reboots that appeal to a very broad audience. Those are basically effects movies with additional hype generated by a pre-existing fandom.
- godmodus 10y agoI'm just going to ignore this movie exists tbh.
- josteink 10y agoI haven't seen the new Live Action remake of movie, but I have (like most others in here) seen and love the original. When I saw the ads for the remake, the only thing featured is a semi-nude Scarlett Johansen, crashing through windows, doing things which exposes her as a semi-nudi Scarlett Johansen. No tech. No "ghosts". That tells me everything I need to know about what the movie studio thinks is important about this film. My wife already has it categorised as a "new Tomb raider". She's not interested. While the original movie had its fair share of semi-nudity, it was really down deep a cyberpunk-story and didn't compromise on that. Looking at the ads for this remake, I have no such expectations this time around.
- douche 10y ago> When I saw the ads for the remake, the only thing featured is a semi-nude Scarlett Johansen, crashing through windows, doing things which exposes her as a semi-nudi Scarlett Johansen. No tech. No "ghosts". I wish I had more than one upvote. As someone who knows nothing about the source material, this is the only thing I've been able to glean from the trailers. For all I can tell, this is semi-robot Charlie's Angels in skin-tight bodysuits.
- AndrewStephens 10y agoI've seen the new film (but not the original) and the nude suit is distracting (not in a good way) in a live action film. But to allay your fears, the film does feature a ton of tech including nigh-invisibility.
- hd4 10y agoI just want them to keep their hands off Berserk. In fact, I hope Miura comes out and says a live-action Berserk shouldn't happen.
- netrap 10y agoPretty much no way I can enjoy the hollywood version... The 1996 movie is a watershed moment in anime to me. Its up there with Akira and the like. Same thing goes for Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, watched the swedish version first and cannot get through 10 minutes of the hollywood one.
- bcks 10y agoAny idea what software stack he is using? I searched around on his site as well as learnsquared and couldn't quite figure it out.
- lebek 10y agoLooks like Cinema 4D and OctaneRender.
- captainsjw 10y agoGlorifying cultural appropriation.. NOT COOL Oh look. All the people behind it were white men. It just keeps getting better!
- AndrewStephens 10y agoI have not seen the original film, but I quite enjoyed Ghost in the Shell (2017) for what it was - a big spectacle action film. The visuals were by far the best part and it is neat to see some of the work that went into them - if only the same attention had been paid on the script. I wrote a longer (too long really) review of the film : https://sheep.horse/2017/4/film_review_-_ghost_in_the_shell_(2017).html https://sheep.horse/2017/4/film_review_-_ghost_in_the_shell_...