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A dishwasher and travel bookings are not basic necessities. When I had no money I did not have a dishwasher at all, but washed by hand. My travels where in the

by holri 10y ago

A dishwasher and travel bookings are not basic necessities. When I had no money I did not have a dishwasher at all, but washed by hand. My travels where in the woods nearby, very relaxing and enjoy full at no cost at all. No booking required. Reading stoic philosophy help me a lot more than money.

anothercomment 10y ago
That's why I mentioned it - even beyond basic necessities, money can help a lot in daily life. That is, it can make a lot of worries go away. Washing by hand is great, but if you are a family of four, it will also cost a lot of time. In that sense a dishwasher is not really a luxury. It saves time, therefore it is a sensible investment. We don't have that many woods nearby, either. There are some, but they serve a whole city of 3 Million people and their dogs, so they tend to be very overcrowded. We go there frequently, but it is not the answer to everything. Yes, we won't die if we don't travel. Nevertheless, with kids you want to show them at least something. And just visiting grandparents with a family of four sets us back several hundred €. We don't die if we don't visit the grandparents, but it also doesn't seem like overindulgence to occasionally visit them. There are articles out there, btw, on how poor people have to spend more on everything. For example they can't afford to travel to the cheap shops, so they have to buy in the expensive shops near their home. Counter-intuitive things like that.
charlesdm 10y ago
Maybe not, but having, say, $100k in the bank does resolve a menial amount of issues that are not worth thinking about. Do I want to think about buying a dishwasher? Not really. Do I want to do the dishes by hand? Not really either. If you want to read stoic philosophy, having basic things like a dishwasher will save you hours. That's the only reason why I would get one: less time wasted on things I don't like.
- tudorw 10y ago
  This is not directed at you personally, an open question if you like, so, what is not to like about washing dishes? What is it that you do like doing? Would that still be enjoyable if you spent ALL your time doing that ? Perhaps happiness is as likely found in a stack of clean plates as a Pilates class...
  - charlesdm 10y ago
    Clean plates are awesome, but I just don't like it. I'd rather take a walk outside in nature / read a book / etc. If I had more money, I imagine I would probably pick up a new hobby. When my cousin sold his company, he bought himself a helicopter because he has a love for flying (studied to be a pilot, etc). It's good fun, but obviously also not a basic necessity.
    - tudorw 10y ago
      I agree, getting out into a forest is always more rewarding than I expect and something I aspire to do more of, as is reading books from fields I know nothing about (which gives me lots of options...). I have not seen creative output mentioned much either, I love to make music, write, those things take time, so it's a luxury for sure, a rewarding and low cost one too if it has to be.
  - test1235 10y ago
    It's more that it's a chore. I don't mind doing the dishes, but I would also like the option to not do them, once in a while. In fact, that was what I did when I had a dishwasher and lived on my own: I would wash up by hand when it was just me and a few items, but would use the dishwasher when there was a massive load, or I had to do something else. I've found that having to do something (especially on a daily basis), very quickly makes a task a chore.
  - pbhjpbhj 10y ago
    Not the OP. There are chores i don't mind but I spend a good part of my day cleaning up other people's messes. Washing up always seems so futile, you wash the dishes and within hours there they are again, needing washing; Sysiphean. I find it very hard to motivate myself for that. On the other hand, repairs i enjoy: both the challenge and the reward of using, and saving from the bin, something that was a challenge to fix, something that needed some ingenuity. Horses for courses though. I'd rather chop wood, service the car, fix the plumbing, re-roof the shed: pretty much anything instead of the drudgery of washing-up.
  - nunez 10y ago
yakshaving_jgt 10y ago
Please, come and collect your award for being the winner of the ‘Most-Hard-Done-By’ Olympics.

by holri 10y ago

anothercomment 10y ago

That's why I mentioned it - even beyond basic necessities, money can help a lot in daily life. That is, it can make a lot of worries go away. Washing by hand is great, but if you are a family of four, it will also cost a lot of time. In that sense a dishwasher is not really a luxury. It saves time, therefore it is a sensible investment. We don't have that many woods nearby, either. There are some, but they serve a whole city of 3 Million people and their dogs, so they tend to be very overcrowded. We go there frequently, but it is not the answer to everything. Yes, we won't die if we don't travel. Nevertheless, with kids you want to show them at least something. And just visiting grandparents with a family of four sets us back several hundred €. We don't die if we don't visit the grandparents, but it also doesn't seem like overindulgence to occasionally visit them. There are articles out there, btw, on how poor people have to spend more on everything. For example they can't afford to travel to the cheap shops, so they have to buy in the expensive shops near their home. Counter-intuitive things like that.

charlesdm 10y ago

Maybe not, but having, say, $100k in the bank does resolve a menial amount of issues that are not worth thinking about. Do I want to think about buying a dishwasher? Not really. Do I want to do the dishes by hand? Not really either. If you want to read stoic philosophy, having basic things like a dishwasher will save you hours. That's the only reason why I would get one: less time wasted on things I don't like.

tudorw 10y ago
This is not directed at you personally, an open question if you like, so, what is not to like about washing dishes? What is it that you do like doing? Would that still be enjoyable if you spent ALL your time doing that ? Perhaps happiness is as likely found in a stack of clean plates as a Pilates class...
- charlesdm 10y ago
  Clean plates are awesome, but I just don't like it. I'd rather take a walk outside in nature / read a book / etc. If I had more money, I imagine I would probably pick up a new hobby. When my cousin sold his company, he bought himself a helicopter because he has a love for flying (studied to be a pilot, etc). It's good fun, but obviously also not a basic necessity.
  - tudorw 10y ago
    I agree, getting out into a forest is always more rewarding than I expect and something I aspire to do more of, as is reading books from fields I know nothing about (which gives me lots of options...). I have not seen creative output mentioned much either, I love to make music, write, those things take time, so it's a luxury for sure, a rewarding and low cost one too if it has to be.
- test1235 10y ago
  It's more that it's a chore. I don't mind doing the dishes, but I would also like the option to not do them, once in a while. In fact, that was what I did when I had a dishwasher and lived on my own: I would wash up by hand when it was just me and a few items, but would use the dishwasher when there was a massive load, or I had to do something else. I've found that having to do something (especially on a daily basis), very quickly makes a task a chore.
- pbhjpbhj 10y ago
  Not the OP. There are chores i don't mind but I spend a good part of my day cleaning up other people's messes. Washing up always seems so futile, you wash the dishes and within hours there they are again, needing washing; Sysiphean. I find it very hard to motivate myself for that. On the other hand, repairs i enjoy: both the challenge and the reward of using, and saving from the bin, something that was a challenge to fix, something that needed some ingenuity. Horses for courses though. I'd rather chop wood, service the car, fix the plumbing, re-roof the shed: pretty much anything instead of the drudgery of washing-up.
- nunez 10y ago

yakshaving_jgt 10y ago

Please, come and collect your award for being the winner of the ‘Most-Hard-Done-By’ Olympics.