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The consulting firms have been abusing the H-1B system for years. I've been documenting it for couple years here: http://www.jobsintech.io/immigration_companies

by negrit 10y ago

The consulting firms have been abusing the H-1B system for years. I've been documenting it for couple years here: http://www.jobsintech.io/immigration_companies#name=&city=&state=&page= http://www.jobsintech.io/immigration_companies#name=&city=&s... You can clearly see that the top companies using H-1B visas are consulting firms.

EduardoBautista 10y ago
Why are green card and h1-b numbers all equal?
- negrit 10y ago
  Good catch. Fixing it right now
mavelikara 10y ago
Between large outsourcing companies (TCS, Infy, Cognizant, IBM etc) and American staffing companies (Edison-based "desi body shops" etc) - who uses H-1Bs more, in your analysis?
- douche 10y ago
  clearly, by the numbers, its the shit shows like tcs and cognizant, ibm and infosys. I dread the reseller opportunities we get from those disorganized fucknuts.
lifesucks1 10y ago
Someone posted this link. https://www.uscis.gov/working-united-states/temporary-workers/h-1b-specialty-occupations-and-fashion-models/combating-fraud-and-abuse-h-1b-visa-program https://www.uscis.gov/working-united-states/temporary-worker... There are whole IT divisions where there is not a single US citizen or GC holder. Tell me how can one distinguish between projects where the whole project members are H1B holders. Do you expect anyone to complain? The whole thing feels like a april fools joke to me....
- mavelikara 10y ago
  If there are reasons to complain, _both_ H-1B holders and others are encouraged to complain. But just because some projects are staffed with H-1Bs, there is no indication of foul play. From the link you posted: Examples of H-1B fraud indicators may include: * The H-1B worker is not or will not be paid the wage certified on the Labor Condition Application (LCA). * There is a wage disparity between H-1B workers and other workers performing the same or similar duties, particularly to the detriment of U.S. workers. * The H-1B worker is not performing the duties specified in the H-1B petition, including when the duties are at a higher level than the position description. * The H-1B worker has less experience than U.S. workers in similar positions in the same company. * The H-1B worker is not working in the intended location as certified on the LCA.
- tn135 10y ago
  Our entire company including founders are people on H1B. If USCIS harasses us we will move to Canada or some place else.
  - seanmcdirmid 10y ago
    If they are ALL on H1Bs, then why are they located in the states at all? I'm pro immigration (and H1B), but that just seems weird.
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    - throwasehasdwi 10y ago
      so they can reap the benefits of US investment?
      - seanmcdirmid 10y ago
        It just doesn't seem what the H1B was meant for.
kevin_thibedeau 10y ago
A simple solution for the consulting companies would be a rule requiring all H-1B sponsors to have at least 51% of their domestic staff be US citizens. That would ruin the wacked out business model of the body shops and return to a fair playing field for Americans in their own country.
- anarazel 10y ago
  Not sure if that's sufficient, but I wanted to answer to your "Americans..." comment: This isn't just an issue for Americans, it's also bad for actually highly qualified foreigners and other companies. Because a few companies gobble up all the visas, the rest have to go through the lottery. Which actually makes it hard to hire highly qualified immigrants, because it takes agrees to see of you're lucky. I've been through this, and it sucks. In the end I got another type of visa, but that cost a lot of energy and money.
  - guitarbill 10y ago
    Couldn't agree more. If anything, a lottery system encourages spamming candidates whatever quality over carefully selecting high quality candidates. Plus, nothing says "Welcome" than waiting several months for a decision in the visa purgatory. So that also discourages high quality applicants who have other choices.
- an_cap 10y ago
  A simple solution for the consulting companies would be a rule requiring all employers to have at least 51% of their domestic staff be Native-Americans. That would ruin the whacked out business model of the body shops and return to a fair playing field for Native-Americans in their own country.
- ConfuciusSay02 10y ago
  The point of the program was to employ individuals with unique and exceptional skills that were otherwise not found, at all, in the country. The point is NOT to have 49% of your staff be H1B's in order to reduce costs. The original rules were fine, let's just get some enforcement, including on the facilitators: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU

by negrit 10y ago

EduardoBautista 10y ago

Why are green card and h1-b numbers all equal?

negrit 10y ago
Good catch. Fixing it right now

mavelikara 10y ago

Between large outsourcing companies (TCS, Infy, Cognizant, IBM etc) and American staffing companies (Edison-based "desi body shops" etc) - who uses H-1Bs more, in your analysis?

douche 10y ago
clearly, by the numbers, its the shit shows like tcs and cognizant, ibm and infosys. I dread the reseller opportunities we get from those disorganized fucknuts.

lifesucks1 10y ago

Someone posted this link. https://www.uscis.gov/working-united-states/temporary-workers/h-1b-specialty-occupations-and-fashion-models/combating-fraud-and-abuse-h-1b-visa-program https://www.uscis.gov/working-united-states/temporary-worker... There are whole IT divisions where there is not a single US citizen or GC holder. Tell me how can one distinguish between projects where the whole project members are H1B holders. Do you expect anyone to complain? The whole thing feels like a april fools joke to me....

mavelikara 10y ago
If there are reasons to complain, _both_ H-1B holders and others are encouraged to complain. But just because some projects are staffed with H-1Bs, there is no indication of foul play. From the link you posted: Examples of H-1B fraud indicators may include: * The H-1B worker is not or will not be paid the wage certified on the Labor Condition Application (LCA). * There is a wage disparity between H-1B workers and other workers performing the same or similar duties, particularly to the detriment of U.S. workers. * The H-1B worker is not performing the duties specified in the H-1B petition, including when the duties are at a higher level than the position description. * The H-1B worker has less experience than U.S. workers in similar positions in the same company. * The H-1B worker is not working in the intended location as certified on the LCA.
tn135 10y ago
Our entire company including founders are people on H1B. If USCIS harasses us we will move to Canada or some place else.
- seanmcdirmid 10y ago
  If they are ALL on H1Bs, then why are they located in the states at all? I'm pro immigration (and H1B), but that just seems weird.
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  - throwasehasdwi 10y ago
    so they can reap the benefits of US investment?
    - seanmcdirmid 10y ago
      It just doesn't seem what the H1B was meant for.

kevin_thibedeau 10y ago

A simple solution for the consulting companies would be a rule requiring all H-1B sponsors to have at least 51% of their domestic staff be US citizens. That would ruin the wacked out business model of the body shops and return to a fair playing field for Americans in their own country.

anarazel 10y ago
Not sure if that's sufficient, but I wanted to answer to your "Americans..." comment: This isn't just an issue for Americans, it's also bad for actually highly qualified foreigners and other companies. Because a few companies gobble up all the visas, the rest have to go through the lottery. Which actually makes it hard to hire highly qualified immigrants, because it takes agrees to see of you're lucky. I've been through this, and it sucks. In the end I got another type of visa, but that cost a lot of energy and money.
- guitarbill 10y ago
  Couldn't agree more. If anything, a lottery system encourages spamming candidates whatever quality over carefully selecting high quality candidates. Plus, nothing says "Welcome" than waiting several months for a decision in the visa purgatory. So that also discourages high quality applicants who have other choices.
an_cap 10y ago
A simple solution for the consulting companies would be a rule requiring all employers to have at least 51% of their domestic staff be Native-Americans. That would ruin the whacked out business model of the body shops and return to a fair playing field for Native-Americans in their own country.
ConfuciusSay02 10y ago
The point of the program was to employ individuals with unique and exceptional skills that were otherwise not found, at all, in the country. The point is NOT to have 49% of your staff be H1B's in order to reduce costs. The original rules were fine, let's just get some enforcement, including on the facilitators: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU