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wonder when wikileaks will publish fsb hacking tools LOL
by albertTJames 10y ago
wonder when wikileaks will publish fsb hacking tools
LOL
- vxxzy 10y agoThey would probably be CIA tools disguised as FSB.
- equalunique 10y agoSeems FSB has better security than CIA. 90% of intelligence community cyber security spending is on offensive projects, so this revelation should not be too surprising. (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cyber-defense-idUSKBN17013U http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cyber-defense-idUSKBN1...)
- sandworm101 10y agoAnd FSB's attack surface is less than 1% of CIA's. Much fsb work is farmed out to contractors, the offensive stuff that CIA keeps in house. CIA people chat via email, messaging and by voice. FSB people chat in person. That's why russian hackers are always traveling while CIA hackers keep having thier stuff leaked.
- equalunique 10y agoGreat points. I don't know many details of how they operate. Someone told me they still rely on paper-based methods in order to avoid some types of electronic surveillance. In theory, 50% offense and 50% defense should be the only budget for a sane operation.
- dredmorbius 10y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14007213 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14007213
- takeda 10y agoThere's suspicion that Assange no longer has control over Wiki Leaks.
- dredmorbius 10y agoCitation requested.
- cyphunk 10y agohttps://twitter.com/embassycat/status/729596974903767040 https://twitter.com/embassycat/status/729596974903767040
- dredmorbius 10y agoHow, specifically, is that proof of anything?
- Crito 10y agoCitation for suspicion? Is this a joke?
- dredmorbius 10y agoA reference to who is suspicious and why is deadly serious.
- 1_2__3 10y agoYes, surely that's the reason.
- quakeguy 10y agoRussia remains a black spot, due to the language/kyrilic alphabet? And they do most secret stuff with typewriters and photocopies these days, so i've heard. Snowdens revelations had a big impact there.
- Chaebixi 10y ago> And they do most secret stuff with typewriters and photocopies these days, so i've heard. Snowdens revelations had a big impact there. I think I heard the first heard the "Russia switches back to typewriters" story pre-Snowden. Electronic typewriter bugs are also not unheard of: http://www.cryptomuseum.com/covert/bugs/selectric/ http://www.cryptomuseum.com/covert/bugs/selectric/.
- __jal 10y ago1) I kinda doubt Russian hackers code on typewriters. 2) Cyrillic is an alphabet, not magic incomprehensibility dust. There are plenty of Russian speakers who are not beholden to their spooks. 3) Assange has an agenda in addition and orthogonal to fighting secrecy. I'm not saying he's insincere; I'm saying that some leaks are clearly more equal than others. It would not surprise me in the least if he were to sit on some leaks in order to not piss off a source providing others, especially around hard deadlines.
- quakeguy 10y agoThis comment has some more info: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14007213 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14007213
- mihular 10y agoSend them documents and they will publish them if legit.
- math0ne 10y agoThere is simply no evidence of that.
- mihular 10y agoYou are saying that Wikileaks has a ton of other documents but won't publish them? Based on what exactly?
- r3bl 10y agoI've seen this tweet a lot https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/769194327830585344 https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/769194327830585344 by the Washington Post reporter. Apparently, he claimed on Fox News that he had something on Trump, but that it wasn't interesting enough to release it. Not saying that this is a regular trend or something, but it seems like there is some evidence from Assange himself that they don't publish everything they have verified.
- math0ne 10y agoI'm not saying that, I'm saying there is no evidence either way.
- mihular 10y agoLet's says someone sent them important documents and they wouldn't publish them for no obvious reason. Don't you think the source wouldn't try other channels and/or go public with Wikileaks behavior?
- knz 10y agoOr more bad news for the Trump administration with evidence of communication etc coming from Russian servers? ;) Further down someone asked: "What would be the advantage to making your exploits appear to come from other countries?". If you want to sow doubt about the validity of evidence presented this seems like a good way to do so (not that we shouldn't be skeptical given the tools available).
- Jerry2 10y agoIt's much harder to leak Russian stuff because a lot of it is in paper form. After Snowden revelations, Russians returned to typewriters for all their top secret stuff [0]: >A source at Russia's Federal Guard Service (FSO), which is in charge of safeguarding Kremlin communications and protecting President Vladimir Putin, claimed that the return to typewriters has been prompted by the publication of secret documents by WikiLeaks, the whistle-blowing website, as well as Edward Snowden, the fugitive US intelligence contractor. >The FSO is looking to spend 486,000 roubles – around £10,000 – on a number of electric typewriters, according to the site of state procurement agency, zakupki.gov.ru. The notice included ribbons for German-made Triumph Adlew TWEN 180 typewriters, although it was not clear if the typewriters themselves were this kind. >“After scandals with the distribution of secret documents by WikiLeaks, the exposes by Edward Snowden, reports about Dmitry Medvedev being listened in on during his visit to the G20 summit in London, it has been decided to expand the practice of creating paper documents.” >Unlike printers, every typewriter has its own individual pattern of type so it is possible to link every document to a machine used to type it. Now, their hacking tools are obviously not in paper form but I bet they're much more tightly controlled than the CIA/NSA tools. They probably have a much smaller team of people who have access to such tools so it's much harder for them to leak. It's also easier to do counterintelligence on people who do have access and you can bet every one of those people is monitored to some degree. US has thousands of contractors who work for CIA/NSA/DIA and other intelligence agencies and many, supposedly, can easily walk out with some of the most sensitive documents that the USG possesses. [1] One of these contractors, supposedly, leaked out these files to WikiLeaks [2]. FBI is now on a hunt to figure out who it was. Russians don't have a huge network of contractors. I couldn't find the exact figure but by a quick estimation, Russians have 100x less people doing the intelligence work. They also have much, much smaller budgets because of their economy. So it's easier for them to keep secrets from leaking. CIA probably (most definitely?) has moles inside of FSB so FSB secrets do leak. Just not to WikiLeaks. [0] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10173645/Kremlin-returns-to-typewriters-to-avoid-computer-leaks.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/1017... [1] http://www.federaltimes.com/articles/fbi-arrests-contractor-in-possible-nsa-theft http://www.federaltimes.com/articles/fbi-arrests-contractor-... [2] https://www.wsj.com/articles/authorities-questioning-cia-contractors-in-connection-with-wikileaks-dump-1489283964 https://www.wsj.com/articles/authorities-questioning-cia-con...
- k-mcgrady 10y ago...when somebody sends them to Wikileaks.
- jwtadvice 10y agoThey would love to if someone gets them copies of the FSB hacking tools.