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This is were most goes wrong and you fall in the same trap. You seem to assume there are jobs which 1) AI won't be able to do and sooner or later 2) that the t

This is were most goes wrong and you fall in the same trap. You seem to assume there are jobs which 1) AI won't be able to do and sooner or later 2) that the things that humans will be able to do for a while yet which AI wont requires specialized education. But thats not how things work. As I mentioned somewhere else. A cleaning lady is going to have her job longer than a radiologist. Everyone can become a cleaning lady and thus there is going to be oversupply of people who can clean.

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nashashmi 10y ago
Robots can do a better job of cleaning.
- sushid 10y ago
  Perhaps true, but one "robot" can do the job of 1,000,000 radiologists whereas one robot might be able to do the cleaning of 2~3 cleaners at best. It's a software vs. hardware scaling issue.
- ThomPete 10y ago
  No they can't because it requires a surprising number of details to be able to do all the things a cleaning lady actually do. Getting in between the books, under the rug, up on the shelves, cleaning the toilets etc. If a robot could do all that we would basically be close to a general purpose AI. We aren't even close.
- nradov 10y ago
  And yet my Roomba gets tangled up with the rug fringe and stuck under the coffee table. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/08/15/pooptastrophe-man-details-night-his-roomba-ran-over-dog-poop/88667704/ http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/08/15/poo...
sek 10y ago
This is just not true, never did any current "AI" more than the imagination of it's creators. What is this mystical "future AI" that makes every software developer or engineer suddenly obsolete. Maybe creative thought requires a brain and nothing will ever beat human reproduction in producing engineers.
- rublev 10y ago
  I'm surprised the app dev I do hasn't been automated away already.
  - adzicg 10y ago
    but it has to a large extent. 20 years ago I did linting by hand, efficient memory allocation was a key skill for a developer, and now that's all taken over by computers. Going further back, I used to be able to beat a C compiler in optimising assembly code, which now I wouldn't even know where to start. Even further back, things like compiling and linking were done by hand. Most developers today use automated builds, packaging, test runners, app genertors and so on. Automation in software development is already there, it's been present from almost day 0, but it has so far been aimed at assisting humans, not completely replacing them.
    - majewsky 10y ago
      Of course it's aimed at replacing people. We're just not fast enough compared to how many tasks are being piled on year after year.
- ThomPete 10y ago
  You are missing the point here. Even if humans are better it will require fewer and fewer of them as more and more will be dealt with by sub-algorithms. Also I dont thin you realize little magic there is in imagination. Computers can dream, thats what it requires to imagine. The rest is just about finding proper context that fits humans needs, but even that is learnable by machines. So the question you should be asking is what mystical human ability is imagination that it can't be done by machines. But again even if it was always outside of human abilities it wouldn't require more but less developers over time.

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nashashmi 10y ago

Robots can do a better job of cleaning.

sushid 10y ago
Perhaps true, but one "robot" can do the job of 1,000,000 radiologists whereas one robot might be able to do the cleaning of 2~3 cleaners at best. It's a software vs. hardware scaling issue.
ThomPete 10y ago
No they can't because it requires a surprising number of details to be able to do all the things a cleaning lady actually do. Getting in between the books, under the rug, up on the shelves, cleaning the toilets etc. If a robot could do all that we would basically be close to a general purpose AI. We aren't even close.
nradov 10y ago
And yet my Roomba gets tangled up with the rug fringe and stuck under the coffee table. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/08/15/pooptastrophe-man-details-night-his-roomba-ran-over-dog-poop/88667704/ http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/08/15/poo...

sek 10y ago

This is just not true, never did any current "AI" more than the imagination of it's creators. What is this mystical "future AI" that makes every software developer or engineer suddenly obsolete. Maybe creative thought requires a brain and nothing will ever beat human reproduction in producing engineers.

rublev 10y ago
I'm surprised the app dev I do hasn't been automated away already.
- adzicg 10y ago
  but it has to a large extent. 20 years ago I did linting by hand, efficient memory allocation was a key skill for a developer, and now that's all taken over by computers. Going further back, I used to be able to beat a C compiler in optimising assembly code, which now I wouldn't even know where to start. Even further back, things like compiling and linking were done by hand. Most developers today use automated builds, packaging, test runners, app genertors and so on. Automation in software development is already there, it's been present from almost day 0, but it has so far been aimed at assisting humans, not completely replacing them.
  - majewsky 10y ago
    Of course it's aimed at replacing people. We're just not fast enough compared to how many tasks are being piled on year after year.
ThomPete 10y ago
You are missing the point here. Even if humans are better it will require fewer and fewer of them as more and more will be dealt with by sub-algorithms. Also I dont thin you realize little magic there is in imagination. Computers can dream, thats what it requires to imagine. The rest is just about finding proper context that fits humans needs, but even that is learnable by machines. So the question you should be asking is what mystical human ability is imagination that it can't be done by machines. But again even if it was always outside of human abilities it wouldn't require more but less developers over time.