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^-- Submarine argument of the current white nationalist movement. Basic flaw: it elides "the wants of white nationalists" with "the culture of the country" and
by hiddencost 10y ago
^-- Submarine argument of the current white nationalist movement. Basic flaw: it elides "the wants of white nationalists" with "the culture of the country" and tries to imply that the wants of white nationalists are the only one that exists.
A subset of people are being prodded to give up their sovereignty; a significant chunk of folks in the UK actually wanted the EU, most notably immigrants, students, young folks.
- afandian 10y agoAs a British citizen I have more in common culturally with my German, Swedish, Austrian, Spanish, Danish, French etc friends and colleagues than I feel with a large chunk of my own country. The people who tell me that I should be patriotic and culturally identify with them as British are the people I'd want to run a million miles from.
- meitham 10y agoI wish I could upvote you 100 times.
- arethuza 10y agoGreat comment - I wish I could vote this up more than once.
- whiskers 10y agoHear, hear.
- the-dude 10y agoOh, big thanks from The Netherlands!
- random_comment 10y agoHe didn't actually mention the Dutch ;-)
- lordnacho 10y agoOf course. Who doesn't have more in common with actual people they've befriended and worked with, as opposed to a nebulous notion of nationality? But that isn't a basis for political decisions. The fact that you like the people that you're friends with is no reason to be in or out of the EU. I presume you have friends who aren't from the EU as well, yet surely you do not believe in closer integration with those countries? I have a similarly diverse group of friends, but it makes very little difference to what I think politically. For one, I doubt they'll be kicked out, but also I can't make decisions about politics based on a few individuals I happen to know.
- afandian 10y agoI was going to say that I made no claim about the role of culture and cultural identity in political decisions, but left it out. I was making a narrow point, and don't neccesarily disagree with yours.
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- rayiner 10y agoThat's a myopic and ignorant view. Not all nationalism is "white nationalism," and nationalism is often a strongly positive force. For example, in places like Bangladesh, Egypt, and Turkey, nationalism is the force opposing theocracy. Israeli nationalism has allowed them to carve out a relatively liberal democracy in a region that's hostile to it. (It's also a bizarre charge to level at U.K. nationalism, given that the U.K. is less white than the E.U. as a whole. Moreover, Indians - the largest non-white ethnic group in the U.K. - voted leave/remain along class lines, like whites: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/brexit-rich-british-indians-voted-for-remain-the-less-well-off-went-for-leave/articleshow/52909988.cms http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world...).
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- concinds 10y agoCalling Leavers "white nationalists" is like Glenn Beck calling Obama a communist. Jews voted for Leave more than any other demographic group, even more than whites. Arguing about hypothetical white nationalists is total FUD.
- cat199 10y ago^-- Submarine argument of the current globalist movement. Basic flaw: it elides "the wants of globalists" with "the culture of the world" and tries to imply that the wants of globalists are the only one that exists.