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It doesn't help the EU is acting like a petulant wronged partner. We didn't even cheat on you! I mean, seriously, £68 billion for stuff we're not going to be a

It doesn't help the EU is acting like a petulant wronged partner. We didn't even cheat on you! I mean, seriously, £68 billion for stuff we're not going to be able to use? Grow up and rework your budget. No trade negotiations until we leave? It makes them look like utter fools, one dose of actual democracy deciding they've had enough of backdoor federalisation and they're threatening every punishment they can think of. I know others now express regret at voting leave, but I now start to have the opposite, I voted remain and the way Junker et al. are acting is a stark reminder at how undemocratic, bureaucratic and unrepresentative of its citizens the EU is.

JamesMcMinn 10y ago
> No trade negotiations until we leave? No trade negotiations until we official notify the EU that we are leaving, which makes nothing but sense from the EUs perspective.
- pbhjpbhj 10y ago
  Agreed, why would they spend money on trade negotiations when we might have an outbreak of common sense and decide to stay.
chimprich 10y ago
Petulant? It is your comment that seems quite emotional; "Grow up", "utter fools", etc. It is entirely rational for the EU to try to get the best possible deal they can.
- mattmanser 10y ago
  How is it emotional to simply describe how people are acting? I don't understand your comment's relevancy? How would you describe the EU's actions right now? Rather than firing Junker and reforming, they're going to try and punish the UK to try and frighten their own citizens into staying EU members. That's not rational or a considered response, that's an emotional one at odds with what is best for all of Europe's citizens.
  - ionised 10y ago
    It's subjective. From my perspective (as a Brit) it's us that have been the petulant ones, demanding special treatment and opt-outs from this directive or that, then throwing a temper tantrum when we couldn't have our own way. All of that, combined with a relentless decades-long campaign of lies and vitriol from the Murdoch press, resulting in such gems as "the EU demands we have straight bananas!" among various myths, falsehoods and outright lies about the EU; http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/ http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/ The entire leave campaign has been fuelled by an outrageous sense of entitlement on the part of a huge swathe of the population that cannot accept that we are no longer a world power to be reckoned with, and the hilariously inaccurate perceptions people have of the various EU bodies and how they work. The EU is far from perfect, but by comparison the UK is a fucking catastrophe of systemic classism, crony capitalism and unelected hereditary privilege.
lurker456 10y ago
As a collective, you voted to leave. Now Junker et al represent the interests of the remaining members, of which you are no longer a part. Game theory dictactes that the EU must offer unfavorable terms to leavers.
- pvaldes 10y ago
  Big Money is, in itself, in a different game level Taking in mind the recent past we can expect that Juncker will represent the interests of Juncker. Maybe also the interests of a small fraction of Europeans. No more, not less.

JamesMcMinn 10y ago

> No trade negotiations until we leave? No trade negotiations until we official notify the EU that we are leaving, which makes nothing but sense from the EUs perspective.

pbhjpbhj 10y ago
Agreed, why would they spend money on trade negotiations when we might have an outbreak of common sense and decide to stay.

chimprich 10y ago

Petulant? It is your comment that seems quite emotional; "Grow up", "utter fools", etc. It is entirely rational for the EU to try to get the best possible deal they can.

mattmanser 10y ago
How is it emotional to simply describe how people are acting? I don't understand your comment's relevancy? How would you describe the EU's actions right now? Rather than firing Junker and reforming, they're going to try and punish the UK to try and frighten their own citizens into staying EU members. That's not rational or a considered response, that's an emotional one at odds with what is best for all of Europe's citizens.
- ionised 10y ago
  It's subjective. From my perspective (as a Brit) it's us that have been the petulant ones, demanding special treatment and opt-outs from this directive or that, then throwing a temper tantrum when we couldn't have our own way. All of that, combined with a relentless decades-long campaign of lies and vitriol from the Murdoch press, resulting in such gems as "the EU demands we have straight bananas!" among various myths, falsehoods and outright lies about the EU; http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/ http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/ The entire leave campaign has been fuelled by an outrageous sense of entitlement on the part of a huge swathe of the population that cannot accept that we are no longer a world power to be reckoned with, and the hilariously inaccurate perceptions people have of the various EU bodies and how they work. The EU is far from perfect, but by comparison the UK is a fucking catastrophe of systemic classism, crony capitalism and unelected hereditary privilege.

lurker456 10y ago

As a collective, you voted to leave. Now Junker et al represent the interests of the remaining members, of which you are no longer a part. Game theory dictactes that the EU must offer unfavorable terms to leavers.

pvaldes 10y ago
Big Money is, in itself, in a different game level Taking in mind the recent past we can expect that Juncker will represent the interests of Juncker. Maybe also the interests of a small fraction of Europeans. No more, not less.