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I'm formally getting EU citizenship (which I'm lucky enough to be entitled to as a citizen of Ireland). There is going to be increased demand for this, particul

I'm formally getting EU citizenship (which I'm lucky enough to be entitled to as a citizen of Ireland). There is going to be increased demand for this, particularly as people realise that there is going to be a hard border (which seems inevitable, given the statements on freedom of movement). I won't actually move, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of personal and small businesses move in exactly the way you're suggesting.

PaulRobinson 10y ago
The letter specifically calls for ensuring there is no hard border.
- creshal 10y ago
  Which is just wishful thinking brought onto paper. That part isn't going to be legally binding in any way.
- sammorrowdrums 10y ago
  It's virtually impossible to have tight and effective immigration controls, and open EU border. Also if UK ever passes laws that allow produce with EU import restrictions to be available it will mean hard customs border too... NI is at a genuine risk of crisis, or soft Brexit.
  - k-mcgrady 10y ago
    >> NI is at a genuine risk of crisis, or soft Brexit. To be fair, we are in crisis 90% of the time. This just adds fuel to the fire.
    - sammorrowdrums 10y ago
      At least the assembly is working well... :-O
  - VLM 10y ago
    Why are EU countries allowed to have borders but the USA cannot? Genuinely curious. On this side of the pond its double plus ungood badthink to support borders of any sort, which makes discussion about the importance of borders in UK/EU sound really weird on this side of the pond.
    - dragonwriter 10y ago
      > Why are EU countries allowed to have borders but the USA cannot? The USA has always had borders, and absolutely is allowed to have them. > On this side of the pond its double plus ungood badthink to support borders of any sort No, it's not. It's just one set of extremists as to what the rules should be at the border portrays any disagreement with them as being opposed to borders (the same group does the same kind of generalization on other issues as well) to avoid engaging in debate about the substance of their proposals on the rules. There's a very small minority of actual open borders supporters, and except for the one group that rhetoricallt conflates that small group with their larger opponents, they basically are irrelevant in policy debate.
- TorKlingberg 10y ago
  A couple of Daily Mail articles about refugees crossing the border and that could change in a hurry.
- k-mcgrady 10y ago
  They can call for whatever they want, it's going to happen in some shape or form. To be honest, any border controls between NI/ROI will be a nightmare for people and with the political situation disintegrating in NI again there couldn't be a worse time for it.
- Someone 10y ago
  The letter is written by one of the two parties involved. There's no guarantee that the other party agrees with anything it says, except for things agreed upon earlier; basically the fact that the UK can ask to leave the EU and that a two-year deadline applies.
david-gpu 10y ago
How are you applying for EU citizenship? All I can find is that it is automatically granted to all Nationals if member states. I.e. if you are Irish then you automatically have EU citizenship. Is there anything else you can do?
- disgruntledphd2 10y ago
  If you are from Northern ireland, you have an automatic right to irish (and UK) citizenship. If your parent is Irish, and still alive, if they become a citizen, then you can too. This can be continued down the generations (presumably, but I'm not aware of it happening very often). edit: added UK part

PaulRobinson 10y ago

The letter specifically calls for ensuring there is no hard border.

creshal 10y ago
Which is just wishful thinking brought onto paper. That part isn't going to be legally binding in any way.
sammorrowdrums 10y ago
It's virtually impossible to have tight and effective immigration controls, and open EU border. Also if UK ever passes laws that allow produce with EU import restrictions to be available it will mean hard customs border too... NI is at a genuine risk of crisis, or soft Brexit.
- k-mcgrady 10y ago
  >> NI is at a genuine risk of crisis, or soft Brexit. To be fair, we are in crisis 90% of the time. This just adds fuel to the fire.
  - sammorrowdrums 10y ago
    At least the assembly is working well... :-O
- VLM 10y ago
  Why are EU countries allowed to have borders but the USA cannot? Genuinely curious. On this side of the pond its double plus ungood badthink to support borders of any sort, which makes discussion about the importance of borders in UK/EU sound really weird on this side of the pond.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    > Why are EU countries allowed to have borders but the USA cannot? The USA has always had borders, and absolutely is allowed to have them. > On this side of the pond its double plus ungood badthink to support borders of any sort No, it's not. It's just one set of extremists as to what the rules should be at the border portrays any disagreement with them as being opposed to borders (the same group does the same kind of generalization on other issues as well) to avoid engaging in debate about the substance of their proposals on the rules. There's a very small minority of actual open borders supporters, and except for the one group that rhetoricallt conflates that small group with their larger opponents, they basically are irrelevant in policy debate.
TorKlingberg 10y ago
A couple of Daily Mail articles about refugees crossing the border and that could change in a hurry.
k-mcgrady 10y ago
They can call for whatever they want, it's going to happen in some shape or form. To be honest, any border controls between NI/ROI will be a nightmare for people and with the political situation disintegrating in NI again there couldn't be a worse time for it.
Someone 10y ago
The letter is written by one of the two parties involved. There's no guarantee that the other party agrees with anything it says, except for things agreed upon earlier; basically the fact that the UK can ask to leave the EU and that a two-year deadline applies.

david-gpu 10y ago

How are you applying for EU citizenship? All I can find is that it is automatically granted to all Nationals if member states. I.e. if you are Irish then you automatically have EU citizenship. Is there anything else you can do?

disgruntledphd2 10y ago
If you are from Northern ireland, you have an automatic right to irish (and UK) citizenship. If your parent is Irish, and still alive, if they become a citizen, then you can too. This can be continued down the generations (presumably, but I'm not aware of it happening very often). edit: added UK part