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The clues may be less subtle and still affect employers decisions. I've read thousands of resumes and I always get frustrated when I can read more into the resu

The clues may be less subtle and still affect employers decisions. I've read thousands of resumes and I always get frustrated when I can read more into the resume than may have been intended. Membership in the "hundred black men" or the "Aidan American student organization" provides me with information I would prefer not to know. Ideally when I review a resume I only want to know whether or not I think you might be qualified and worth wasting time on a phone call. Providing that information makes it harder for me to pretend that I am hiring blindly. The idea that there are even more subtle clues is fascinating. When hiring engineers, such clues have remained entirely subliminal to me. There must be some but honestly it wouldn't have occurred to me that there is a class difference between those interested in sailing and those who like track and field. I would probably guess that a track athlete would get along better in my company. Perhaps we are just low class.

framed4Blame 10y ago
If sailing a boat makes you low class, then someone better call a few thousand Indians and tell them to break out their champagne bottles and ring in the new year with gusto instead of phishing for dollars with their hand woven nets. If you wish to espouse black nationalism, you could be a bit braver and say so, or you could continue to figure out ways to promote your agenda without being as overt as this post clearly is. Also: hiding behind a phone sure is easy when you're locked up and have nothing but hate to espouse, but it takes real man to engender peace instead of spreading lies about what is and what isn't logically sound. Give up. Your cause is lost, the nations of the world that prosper do so via cooperation of all cultures present, not by establishing dominance through intimidation. In other words, lead by example, bruh
thaumasiotes 10y ago
> I always get frustrated when I can read more into the resume than may have been intended. Membership in the "hundred black men" or the "A[si]an American student organization" provides me with information I would prefer not to know. Would you resent a resume from an applicant named "Mengying Zhou"? Would that carry less information than membership in the Asian American student association? I claim it carries more.
- Armisael16 10y ago
  It's impractical to not mention your name; it's trivially easy to not mention membership in a student organization. As such, including the membership signals 'I want you to know this' in a way the name doesn't.
  - alew1 10y ago
    Recent graduates are encouraged to mention involvement in student organizations when applying to jobs; leadership roles in those organizations might speak well of a candidate. People might also put this information on a résumé because they want to work somewhere where they know they will be welcome. I am a teacher and I would certainly mention on my résumé that I am the faculty advisor for the Gender/Sexuality Alliance (even if applying to an engineering position). I am proud of my involvement as faculty advisor, and I also would not want to work somewhere where my sexuality would be considered any sort of liability. Rather than expect applicants to take measures to whitewash their résumés (which also gives an advantage to those applicants whose extracurriculars are already "generic," i.e. upper-class and white), it seems we should be educating employers to be aware of their biases when reading these résumés, and teaching strategies for overcoming them.
    - ralfd 10y ago
      That sounds naive to me. How would you react if you had to decide about a resume and get one perfectly qualified listing a leadership role in a conservative/republican student organisation, like Young Americas Foundations which opposes mandatory lgbt sensitivity training? Would you think "what a great way to overcome my own biases!" or would you not prefer a resume aligning more with your views/background?
    - Armisael16 10y ago
      I can't speak for the exact source of jimmyswinny's frustration, but it seems to me that when you can be sued for discriminatory hiring policies your best defense is to never have had that information at all (no means => unsuccessful lawsuit). Someone who deliberately and unnecessarily provides that information unasked for is puncturing that protection. Now, I don't hire people, but this seems to me like a perfectly rational reason to be annoyed to know your applicants sexuality that has little to do with personal bias.

framed4Blame 10y ago

If sailing a boat makes you low class, then someone better call a few thousand Indians and tell them to break out their champagne bottles and ring in the new year with gusto instead of phishing for dollars with their hand woven nets. If you wish to espouse black nationalism, you could be a bit braver and say so, or you could continue to figure out ways to promote your agenda without being as overt as this post clearly is. Also: hiding behind a phone sure is easy when you're locked up and have nothing but hate to espouse, but it takes real man to engender peace instead of spreading lies about what is and what isn't logically sound. Give up. Your cause is lost, the nations of the world that prosper do so via cooperation of all cultures present, not by establishing dominance through intimidation. In other words, lead by example, bruh

thaumasiotes 10y ago

> I always get frustrated when I can read more into the resume than may have been intended. Membership in the "hundred black men" or the "A[si]an American student organization" provides me with information I would prefer not to know. Would you resent a resume from an applicant named "Mengying Zhou"? Would that carry less information than membership in the Asian American student association? I claim it carries more.

Armisael16 10y ago
It's impractical to not mention your name; it's trivially easy to not mention membership in a student organization. As such, including the membership signals 'I want you to know this' in a way the name doesn't.
- alew1 10y ago
  Recent graduates are encouraged to mention involvement in student organizations when applying to jobs; leadership roles in those organizations might speak well of a candidate. People might also put this information on a résumé because they want to work somewhere where they know they will be welcome. I am a teacher and I would certainly mention on my résumé that I am the faculty advisor for the Gender/Sexuality Alliance (even if applying to an engineering position). I am proud of my involvement as faculty advisor, and I also would not want to work somewhere where my sexuality would be considered any sort of liability. Rather than expect applicants to take measures to whitewash their résumés (which also gives an advantage to those applicants whose extracurriculars are already "generic," i.e. upper-class and white), it seems we should be educating employers to be aware of their biases when reading these résumés, and teaching strategies for overcoming them.
  - ralfd 10y ago
    That sounds naive to me. How would you react if you had to decide about a resume and get one perfectly qualified listing a leadership role in a conservative/republican student organisation, like Young Americas Foundations which opposes mandatory lgbt sensitivity training? Would you think "what a great way to overcome my own biases!" or would you not prefer a resume aligning more with your views/background?
  - Armisael16 10y ago
    I can't speak for the exact source of jimmyswinny's frustration, but it seems to me that when you can be sued for discriminatory hiring policies your best defense is to never have had that information at all (no means => unsuccessful lawsuit). Someone who deliberately and unnecessarily provides that information unasked for is puncturing that protection. Now, I don't hire people, but this seems to me like a perfectly rational reason to be annoyed to know your applicants sexuality that has little to do with personal bias.