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We provide a full "end to end" posting service requiring no intervention from you after you have scheduled your posts (no push notifications to your phone and y

by taytus 10y ago

We provide a full "end to end" posting service requiring no intervention from you after you have scheduled your posts (no push notifications to your phone and you having to open the Instagram app to post it for example. We don't use IG's API.

jimminy 10y ago
IANAL But that is the issue, you as a developer and provider may not run afoul of the terms directly, but your users will. Section 10 in the Basic Terms forbids accessing Instagrams Private API's. And if that isn't being used and you are a user of Instagram are running afoul of Section 4 of those terms in soliciting, collecting, or using the login credentials of other users. As well as your naming being in conflict with Terms and trademarks. Unless you're offering the service, through a reminder system with push notifications, you or yoru customer is probably breaking the Terms somewhere. You should probably have a lawyer verify that you're not running straight into a legal mess.
- elastic_church 10y ago
  I think the part that you are missing is that nobody cares about company Terms of Service. The consequences are nonexistent to negligible at best. If in this case Instagram kills someone's account because of this service, then Statimgram takes on the possible liability of damages if its worth it to the brand. Having an understanding of how people spin up accounts on Instagram and build mass real targeted followers quickly and cheaply, it wouldn't even be worth it to sue. But again, Statimgram's liability. Low risk proposition though.
  - ceejayoz 10y ago
    > The consequences are nonexistent to negligible at best. Not in all cases. I work for a company that has a Facebook app at its core, and while we'd love to use a service like this to post to Instagram, it'd risk Facebook shutting our main app's access to the Facebook API down.
  - GrinningFool 10y ago
    > The consequences are nonexistent to negligible at best. Unless you build a business model around violating them, and they shut you down when they discover it... Arbitrary changes are always a risk when it comes to building for a third party platform, but if you're violating the ToS from the start, it's just asking for a 'worst case' scenario for your company and customers.
GrinningFool 10y ago
> We don't use IG's API. This suggests that you're either using people, have found an effective automated method, or have reached agreement with IG. If the first: how well will that scale with growth? If the second: what happens when the block this current method, or otherwise block your ability to do this because it violates some obscure ToS clause? If the third: congratulations and best of luck!
- taytus 10y ago
  All I can say is that this is indeed an automated method. All that IG receives is a https call from an Android phone. We can't go on details because this is our secret sauce (but we are opening our API so other developers can do the same).
  - georgiecasey 10y ago
    is this the secret sauce? https://github.com/mgp25/Instagram-API https://github.com/mgp25/Instagram-API the work the Spanish developer puts into this 3rd party API is crazy and all the issues are from Indian spammers demanding he fixes it!
    - pavel_lishin 10y ago
      This one seems fairly representable, and great: https://github.com/mgp25/Instagram-API/issues/1097 https://github.com/mgp25/Instagram-API/issues/1097
sushid 10y ago
Sounds like they're using Android emulators to simulate button presses, uploads, etc. without using IG's API.

by taytus 10y ago

jimminy 10y ago

IANAL But that is the issue, you as a developer and provider may not run afoul of the terms directly, but your users will. Section 10 in the Basic Terms forbids accessing Instagrams Private API's. And if that isn't being used and you are a user of Instagram are running afoul of Section 4 of those terms in soliciting, collecting, or using the login credentials of other users. As well as your naming being in conflict with Terms and trademarks. Unless you're offering the service, through a reminder system with push notifications, you or yoru customer is probably breaking the Terms somewhere. You should probably have a lawyer verify that you're not running straight into a legal mess.

elastic_church 10y ago
I think the part that you are missing is that nobody cares about company Terms of Service. The consequences are nonexistent to negligible at best. If in this case Instagram kills someone's account because of this service, then Statimgram takes on the possible liability of damages if its worth it to the brand. Having an understanding of how people spin up accounts on Instagram and build mass real targeted followers quickly and cheaply, it wouldn't even be worth it to sue. But again, Statimgram's liability. Low risk proposition though.
- ceejayoz 10y ago
  > The consequences are nonexistent to negligible at best. Not in all cases. I work for a company that has a Facebook app at its core, and while we'd love to use a service like this to post to Instagram, it'd risk Facebook shutting our main app's access to the Facebook API down.
- GrinningFool 10y ago
  > The consequences are nonexistent to negligible at best. Unless you build a business model around violating them, and they shut you down when they discover it... Arbitrary changes are always a risk when it comes to building for a third party platform, but if you're violating the ToS from the start, it's just asking for a 'worst case' scenario for your company and customers.

GrinningFool 10y ago

> We don't use IG's API. This suggests that you're either using people, have found an effective automated method, or have reached agreement with IG. If the first: how well will that scale with growth? If the second: what happens when the block this current method, or otherwise block your ability to do this because it violates some obscure ToS clause? If the third: congratulations and best of luck!

taytus 10y ago
All I can say is that this is indeed an automated method. All that IG receives is a https call from an Android phone. We can't go on details because this is our secret sauce (but we are opening our API so other developers can do the same).
- georgiecasey 10y ago
  is this the secret sauce? https://github.com/mgp25/Instagram-API https://github.com/mgp25/Instagram-API the work the Spanish developer puts into this 3rd party API is crazy and all the issues are from Indian spammers demanding he fixes it!
  - pavel_lishin 10y ago
    This one seems fairly representable, and great: https://github.com/mgp25/Instagram-API/issues/1097 https://github.com/mgp25/Instagram-API/issues/1097

sushid 10y ago

Sounds like they're using Android emulators to simulate button presses, uploads, etc. without using IG's API.