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Just a few random thoughts after looking through their docs. They keep talking about a "margin order", though they also stress that this order type is basicall
by chollida1 10y ago
Just a few random thoughts after looking through their docs.
They keep talking about a "margin order", though they also stress that this order type is basically the same as a limit order.
I'm assuming they created a new order type so the trader is explicitly aware that they are using margin?
> Each time a Trader places a valid Margin Order that would exceed their Available Balance, funding is automatically provided for the required amount (Margin Funding).
Interesting that each "margin" order you put out counts towards your margin usage, rather than your fills. I mean, they are both prime broker and exchange, they could cancel out existing margin orders if you hit your margin limit.
I'm guessing this is a nod to simplicity rather than correctness in this case, Seems like it would make layering orders tougher, though maybe its one of those cases that wouldn't be hit in practice due to who they are currently allowing to trade on margin?
> Each Margin Funding must be Settled within 27 days and 22 hours.
That's a weird time frame, just short of the shortest month. This is quite a bit different from typical margin trading that most institutions have with their prime brokers. It's odd that it has an expiry at all. I'm guessing its because they aren't currently charging any margin interest?
> When a portion of your margin funding expires, a market order will be executed to settle only the amount that has expired, and the size of your position will be reduced.
Ouch, so if this is marketed towards institutional investors and you put on a say $1,000,000 position, coinbase will cross the spread on your behalf with a market order for the full amount? You can say buyer beware and maybe they'll have some sort of daily and then hourly email reminder but with out knowing more this seems absolutely terrible.
> This is the default behavior when closing a position. When you realize profit / loss, the opposing market order will be executed for the entire size of your margin position.
They can't really mean market order can they? I mean this is 2017, no one should be using a market order for any purpose at all. If this is indeed the default way that coinbase wants you to close a position, then I' going to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that I must just be missing something because nobody, should be sending market order.....ever.
Requirements for getting a margin account.
https://support.gdax.com/customer/portal/articles/2725812-what-is-an-eligible-contract-participant-ecp- https://support.gdax.com/customer/portal/articles/2725812-wh...
- frisco 10y agoWhy should no one ever use market orders?
- vidarh 10y agoImagine you place your order just as "something" happens to make the best price it can match move dramatically. If you truly want to sell or buy no matter the price, then sure, use a market order. But most of the time there will be a price that is too low/too high for you to want the order to execute. This is especially an issue for things like Bitcoin which can be extremely volatile, and where many of the exchanges have small enough volumes that they can suffer significantly more volatility than Bitcoin as a whole.
- iamdave 10y agoIf you truly want to sell or buy no matter the price, then sure, use a market order. But most of the time there will be a price that is too low/too high for you to want the order to execute. Well...yes, exactly; bordering on a flat out "duh". Isn't this kind of the entire point of a market order? If you're convinced this is the price you're going to enter a position at, you're able to do so; otherwise you'd open a LIMIT order if the price is too low/too high for whatever trade strategy you're utilizing with margin trading. That's the entire reason market orders exist as another commenter points out. That doesn't mean no one should ever use market orders. Traders have different risk tolerances that inform their trade decisions; saying "no one should do it ever" seems like leaving an awful lot of nuance about currency (and other securities) strategy and price action on the table. If I've misunderstood your point, I'm open to a correction here, but I don't think what you've replied with is a wholly convincing argument on its face.
- philipodonnell 10y agoI think its a matter of deciding which risk is the largest part of your current position, time or price. If your biggest risk is time because you're forced to enter an order or you might miss the move or you need to enter an order quickly/automatically and can't take the time to figure out the best price, then a market order is fine. If you biggest risk is the price (and you can afford to wait) then a limit order is better because you can essentially dictate the price at the expense of it maybe taking a long time/never to fill. They're just tradeoffs between risks, much like most other decisions in the market.