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Which has a better proc and camera? I'll guess Nexus 6 because 6 comes after what must be the Pixel 1. Naming schemes are terrible.

Infinitesimus 10y ago
Pixel is mass market, Nexus is not. Only enthusiasts know that Nexus was a precursor to the Pixel so that comparison will probably never happen to the average consumer. Heck Google even avoids saying the Pixel runs Android
- timeal 10y ago
  Mass market? Today the Pixel brand regroups only high-end products.
  - cmdr_plx 10y ago
    Guess he meant the Pixel is a "consumer product", unlike the Nexus which was essentially aimed at Android developers.
Touche 10y ago
I've never heard such a confusion when it comes to TV purchases. Life is imperfect and changing products require a little research. You can't just go to the store and buy the best socks either; if you want the best you got to do research. Thems the breaks.
- cortesoft 10y ago
  Well, thems WASN'T the breaks with Apple for a long time, and they did quite well. The person you replied to was trying to make the argument that a vendor can sell more product if they make the hierarchy of quality more clear to the consumer. Saying 'things are imperfect, as a consumer you just have to deal with it' doesn't really address his argument.
  - Touche 10y ago
    It addresses it with counter examples that indicate that a "hierarchy of quality" is not something that really exists in consumer products. The fact that so many companies chose not to make the hierarchy clear is an indication that such a hierarchy isn't valuable to them. Look at the luxury car sector. https://www.audiusa.com/models#sedans/ https://www.audiusa.com/models#sedans/ Can you tell the quality by its naming convention? I can't. I can sort of assume some quality hierarchy by the price though. The fact that Apple has abandoned the "one phone, one tablet" model indicates to me that it hasn't been a valuable strategy for them.
    - jbangert 10y ago
      Car companies (at least European ones) tend to be pretty transparent about this: - Audi (example): letter (car/SUV/race car)+ number (quality: 1-cheap, 8-luxury) - BMW: first number is a quality class, two numbers is the Engine size. - Mercedes: first letter is a quality class, number is the engine. Other luxury consumer goods use pretty similar schemes, e.g. Audio gear (e.g. bang + olufsen: the higher the number the better, with some number of meaningless zeroes added depending on fashion). One observation might be that these companies all have halo products that are used to anchor/promote the volume offerings that drive revenue (e.g. The Audi r8 and the a3, the 90k speakers and the 1k set)
      - mpd 10y ago
        > Audi (example): letter (car/SUV/race car)+ number (quality: 1-cheap, 8-luxury) - BMW: first number is a quality class, two numbers is the Engine size. - Mercedes: first letter is a quality class, number is the engine. You need to already know the brand to know this. > (quality: 1-cheap, 8-luxury) How high does it go? If they decide to turn it up to 11 tomorrow, is 8 still "luxury"? I can't agree that this sort of versioning is any more transparent. > (e.g. The Audi r8 and the a3, the 90k speakers and the 1k set) This means nothing unless you already know the brand. There's going to be a minimum set of knowledge required to understand these versioning schemes.
        10y ago
- jimbokun 10y ago
  I would be very surprised if many people are not confused about their high end TV purchase, and trying to figure out which ones are better and why.
  - GFischer 10y ago
    Both Android phones and high-end TVs are good examples of what Scott Adams calls "Confusopoly" :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confusopoly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confusopoly heck, mobile phones are the canonical example.
  - freehunter 10y ago
    Shit I just spent 20 minutes at the store the other day trying to figure out why one HP printer was $80, the next was $120, another was $150, and the most expensive was $200. Other than the size of the box, I had no idea what the difference was. One of them had a fax built in, but surprisingly that wasn't the most expensive model. The most expensive model didn't have the fax.
- sodawater 10y ago
  I think that confusion is definitely there. Probably not worth mentioning it since noone can understand the gibberish they call TV appliance numbers.
- saturdaysaint 10y ago
  To 95%+ of the consumer market, a TV is a dumb commodity. Dollars per inch is basically all that matters for the sale, and relative picture quality is forgotten about as soon as a consumer watches one show. On the other hand, I think most Android users I know have told me a story about buying the "wrong" Android phone.
  - Touche 10y ago
    Phones are commodities too. We can debate at what stage of commoditization it currently is in, but clearly that's where it's headed, and the days of you being able to just grab one with minimal research the same way you can with TVs is coming.
yabatopia 10y ago
I agree Google has a terrible track record with naming products or services - although not as bad as Microsoft - but you're exagerrating a bit. The step from Nexus 6 tot Pixel isn't that difficult to understand (and you even forgot the Nexus 6P, the successor of the Nexus 6!). Car manufactures launch new models all the time, without much problems. If someone gets confused by such thing, maybe that person is better of with a feature phone.
- mulletbum 10y ago
  My comment wasn't supposed to single out Android, but it seems that HN feels I did.
xd1936 10y ago
iPad iPad 2 The new iPad (with Retina display) The new iPad (with Retina display) (again) iPad Air iPad Air 2 iPad Pro iPad (announced today)
- saagarjha 10y ago
  And that's without the iPad Mini…
- lando2319 10y ago
  I believe this one the "IPad 9.7" replaces the "IPad Air"
  - ComputerGuru 10y ago
    We are a bunch of hackers and even we are not sure/can't get this right.
kbutler 10y ago
Yeah, just look at the deal I scored on an Xbox 360! They wanted more money for an Xbox 1! And don't even ask about that Tandy 1000!

Infinitesimus 10y ago

Pixel is mass market, Nexus is not. Only enthusiasts know that Nexus was a precursor to the Pixel so that comparison will probably never happen to the average consumer. Heck Google even avoids saying the Pixel runs Android

timeal 10y ago
Mass market? Today the Pixel brand regroups only high-end products.
- cmdr_plx 10y ago
  Guess he meant the Pixel is a "consumer product", unlike the Nexus which was essentially aimed at Android developers.

Touche 10y ago

I've never heard such a confusion when it comes to TV purchases. Life is imperfect and changing products require a little research. You can't just go to the store and buy the best socks either; if you want the best you got to do research. Thems the breaks.

cortesoft 10y ago
Well, thems WASN'T the breaks with Apple for a long time, and they did quite well. The person you replied to was trying to make the argument that a vendor can sell more product if they make the hierarchy of quality more clear to the consumer. Saying 'things are imperfect, as a consumer you just have to deal with it' doesn't really address his argument.
- Touche 10y ago
  It addresses it with counter examples that indicate that a "hierarchy of quality" is not something that really exists in consumer products. The fact that so many companies chose not to make the hierarchy clear is an indication that such a hierarchy isn't valuable to them. Look at the luxury car sector. https://www.audiusa.com/models#sedans/ https://www.audiusa.com/models#sedans/ Can you tell the quality by its naming convention? I can't. I can sort of assume some quality hierarchy by the price though. The fact that Apple has abandoned the "one phone, one tablet" model indicates to me that it hasn't been a valuable strategy for them.
  - jbangert 10y ago
    Car companies (at least European ones) tend to be pretty transparent about this: - Audi (example): letter (car/SUV/race car)+ number (quality: 1-cheap, 8-luxury) - BMW: first number is a quality class, two numbers is the Engine size. - Mercedes: first letter is a quality class, number is the engine. Other luxury consumer goods use pretty similar schemes, e.g. Audio gear (e.g. bang + olufsen: the higher the number the better, with some number of meaningless zeroes added depending on fashion). One observation might be that these companies all have halo products that are used to anchor/promote the volume offerings that drive revenue (e.g. The Audi r8 and the a3, the 90k speakers and the 1k set)
    - mpd 10y ago
      > Audi (example): letter (car/SUV/race car)+ number (quality: 1-cheap, 8-luxury) - BMW: first number is a quality class, two numbers is the Engine size. - Mercedes: first letter is a quality class, number is the engine. You need to already know the brand to know this. > (quality: 1-cheap, 8-luxury) How high does it go? If they decide to turn it up to 11 tomorrow, is 8 still "luxury"? I can't agree that this sort of versioning is any more transparent. > (e.g. The Audi r8 and the a3, the 90k speakers and the 1k set) This means nothing unless you already know the brand. There's going to be a minimum set of knowledge required to understand these versioning schemes.
      - 10y ago
jimbokun 10y ago
I would be very surprised if many people are not confused about their high end TV purchase, and trying to figure out which ones are better and why.
- GFischer 10y ago
  Both Android phones and high-end TVs are good examples of what Scott Adams calls "Confusopoly" :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confusopoly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confusopoly heck, mobile phones are the canonical example.
- freehunter 10y ago
  Shit I just spent 20 minutes at the store the other day trying to figure out why one HP printer was $80, the next was $120, another was $150, and the most expensive was $200. Other than the size of the box, I had no idea what the difference was. One of them had a fax built in, but surprisingly that wasn't the most expensive model. The most expensive model didn't have the fax.
sodawater 10y ago
I think that confusion is definitely there. Probably not worth mentioning it since noone can understand the gibberish they call TV appliance numbers.
saturdaysaint 10y ago
To 95%+ of the consumer market, a TV is a dumb commodity. Dollars per inch is basically all that matters for the sale, and relative picture quality is forgotten about as soon as a consumer watches one show. On the other hand, I think most Android users I know have told me a story about buying the "wrong" Android phone.
- Touche 10y ago
  Phones are commodities too. We can debate at what stage of commoditization it currently is in, but clearly that's where it's headed, and the days of you being able to just grab one with minimal research the same way you can with TVs is coming.

yabatopia 10y ago

I agree Google has a terrible track record with naming products or services - although not as bad as Microsoft - but you're exagerrating a bit. The step from Nexus 6 tot Pixel isn't that difficult to understand (and you even forgot the Nexus 6P, the successor of the Nexus 6!). Car manufactures launch new models all the time, without much problems. If someone gets confused by such thing, maybe that person is better of with a feature phone.

mulletbum 10y ago
My comment wasn't supposed to single out Android, but it seems that HN feels I did.

xd1936 10y ago

iPad iPad 2 The new iPad (with Retina display) The new iPad (with Retina display) (again) iPad Air iPad Air 2 iPad Pro iPad (announced today)

saagarjha 10y ago
And that's without the iPad Mini…
lando2319 10y ago
I believe this one the "IPad 9.7" replaces the "IPad Air"
- ComputerGuru 10y ago
  We are a bunch of hackers and even we are not sure/can't get this right.

kbutler 10y ago

Yeah, just look at the deal I scored on an Xbox 360! They wanted more money for an Xbox 1! And don't even ask about that Tandy 1000!