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I have no idea what the point of this is.
by coldcode 10y ago
I have no idea what the point of this is.
- sharkmerry 10y agoespecially if it only applies to non-stop flights...
- MichaelGG 10y agoIt wouldn't make any sense otherwise. Non-stop flight is another way of saying "flight to the US", right?
- itchyjunk 10y ago"flights to US could include" multi-stop flights. There is a non-stop flight from Singapore to USA i think, leaves airport there and lands here. Multi-stop flights have a stop in EU if they are coming from Asia to USA or they might stop at Japan or something. Eg: Nepal -> HongKong -> Japan -> USA
- ctphipps 10y agoIn which case the ban would apply to the final sector, but for all intents and purposes, passengers boarding at earlier airports would also be prohibited to bring electronics onboard as checking luggage during a flight connection is pretty much unheard of (unless of course it's an overnight stopover).
- itchyjunk 10y agoYour luggage is not with you from the beginning. And the carry on is definitely checked in connecting flights depending on the airport. HK and New Delhi used to have it up to two years ago. Unless they recently changed it.
- deleted 10y ago[deleted]
- ArtDev 10y agoand does not apply to cellphones. "cellphones and medical devices were excluded from the ban."
- hamami 10y agoit's just another distraction from the healthcare plan or the Russian ties investigation, no need to fry your brain looking for logic here.
- pcurve 10y agoThey'd better have a very good reason for this (e.g. very credible threat). Otherwise even moderates that voted for Trump are going to suffer from serious case of buyer's remorse.
- MichaelGG 10y agoDoes Trump have many voters flying from Saudi Arabia?
- pcurve 10y agoNo, but his policies are making the U.S. look pretty bad. His hardcore supporters won't care about that, but swing voters that swung his way would.
- prawn 10y agoThis sort of stuff spooks travellers from other countries also ("I saw a headline that said I wasn't allowed to take my laptop to America!"). End result is likely to be a drop in tourism and international students which will hit some industries harder than others.
- Cyph0n 10y agoMaybe not the KSA, but Dubai for example is a key connection for travelers from Asia.
- oxide 10y agoI doubt there is a credible threat prompting this ban. It's appeasement IMO.
- uptown 10y agoDistracts from today's testimony by Comey.
- BWStearns 10y agoAlmost no one outside the tech or business communities will really care about this (beyond individuals annoyed with not having iTunes on a 14 hour flight). I don't think it's attention fodder (nor do I think it's a valid means of protecting flights). Not sure what this is.
- uptown 10y ago"Almost no one outside the tech or business communities will really care about this" That's kind of a massive segment of the population.
- ctphipps 10y agoOr people traveling with kids (for whom iPads on board are a saving grace on long haul flights).
- uptown 10y agoSaving grace for those traveling adjacent to those traveling with kids too.
- mattnewton 10y agoEasier to root and search a machine checked in?
- komali2 10y agoTSA always fucks up my repack. I've had nicely-packed arts totally destroyed because of how they chuck shit back into my bag after they finish pawing through it.
- yongjik 10y agoI guess it's a shoutout to Trump's core supporters that he's still committed to doing "The Right Thing" by putting those brown people in their proper places. (Totally not picked because they're muslim, I swear, wink wink.)
- adventured 10y agoSo who was Obama appealing to among his core supporters, when he attacked "brown people" in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia and Yemen?
- yongjik 10y ago...Those people who can understand the difference between a temporary stopping of visa processes and a blanket ban that extends to legal green card holders?
- LyndsySimon 10y agoObama bombed those places with drones.
- stefantalpalaru 10y agoYeah, but he looked cool doing it.
- wheelerwj 10y agoTrump supporters...
- BWStearns 10y agoPeople who don't like ISIS, ghaddafi, ISIS/AQ, the taliban, ibid, pirates, and AQAP respectively.
- int_19h 10y agoObama didn't do the wink part before he did that, though.
- zackbloom 10y agoIt could be a specific threat they are now aware of.
- harlanlewis 10y ago> the ban will apply to nonstop flights to the U.S. from 10 airports in eight countries in the Middle East and North Africa Personal electronics are near-indispensable. By restricting their carry from Muslim countries, freedom of movement to and from those countries is significantly curtailed. This is about getting around the illegality of the Muslim ban without banning any persons or groups. This is about "cultural protectionism" through isolationism, not terrorism, and it's not even trying particularly hard to pretend otherwise.
- adventured 10y agoThe premise you're going with doesn't make much sense. The devices aren't banned, you have to pack them in your luggage. It won't significantly curtail freedom of movement at all.
- harlanlewis 10y agoYou're not wrong. I suppose I'd call my own statement a bit weak if this wasn't the third highly targeted policy in the past 2 months - in fact one of the few types of policies this administration has pushed all the way to action. It's possible my lens is broken, but it seems to me none of the policies considering the general populace of the middle east should be considered in isolation.
- adventured 10y agoThere's zero question it's intentionally narrowly targeting Islamic terrorism at best, and at worst is a staging ground for how much power of restriction they now have (or can get away with) when it comes to those sorts of things. The same way phone searches are a trial balloon that will inevitably spread to not just the general population at airports but the local / state law enforcement as well. My point is specifically that I don't believe it'll impede freedom of movement meaningfully. People will simply pack their devices in luggage. Interestingly, it might result in fewer laptop searches at the airports (whereas they might have asked someone to open / turn on / provide a password), among that targeted population.
- jpalomaki 10y agoThese parts of the article provides plausible explanation: "Brian Jenkins, an aviation-security expert at the Rand Corp., said the nature of the security measure suggested that it was driven by intelligence of a possible attack." "The ban would begin just before Wednesday's meeting of the U.S.-led coalition against the Islamic State group in Washington. A number of top Arab officials were expected to attend the State Department gathering. It was unclear whether their travel plans were related to any increased worry about security threats."
- jacquesm 10y agoWhat kind of attack would this policy avert?
- tpolm 10y agohttps://xkcd.com/651/ https://xkcd.com/651/
- swatkat 10y agoMay be there's a loophole in x-ray machines that scan cabin bags, but not in the machines that scan checked-in bags? (just guessing, if at all "it was driven by intelligence of a possible attack")
- Cyph0n 10y agoWhy is the ban targeting only these specific airlines? Are they so confident that a potential perpetrator couldn't fly in on Delta through Paris?
- tmp123213 10y agoSounds like the threat is not about generic attack against airplanes, but more targeted towards specific people traveling from certain countries to US.
- tmp4343 10y ago
- jaxn 10y agoTo prevent passengers from having access to communication while going through customs. To limit pictures and social media posts in the time between when they get off the plane in the US until their retrieve their checked bags from baggage claim.
- maxerickson 10y agoIt seems not to apply to cell phones. Also, the one time I came into the US, I carried my checked bags through customs.
- koenigdavidmj 10y agoPhones are an exception to this policy, so neither of these is applicable.
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- run4yourlives2 10y agoPiss off brown Muslim people. Seriously. He couldn't get his ban through (twice), so now he's just going to make it as inconvenient as hell for people from those eight countries to travel to the US. It's a big 'fuck you' to Muslims. The POTUS is a 3 year old in a man's body.
- diminoten 10y agoWithout doing any further research than what you did when you made this comment, how long do you believe this ban is for?