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Somebody linked an "Intel to mislead press on Xpoint next week" article from SemiAccurate to another thread on the same topic. Interesting read and adds some co
by jpalomaki 10y ago
Somebody linked an "Intel to mislead press on Xpoint next week" article from SemiAccurate to another thread on the same topic. Interesting read and adds some context to the announcement.
http://semiaccurate.com/2017/03/10/intel-mislead-press-xpoint-next-week/ http://semiaccurate.com/2017/03/10/intel-mislead-press-xpoin...
- grizzles 10y agoI'm skeptical. It must be hard for a once innovator like Intel to revert to the mean.
- rayiner 10y agoBy "broken" SemiAccurate seems to mean "only twice as fast, 10x lower latency, and 3x the endurance of NAND." So who is misleading whom?
- Lazare 10y agoIf you read the details of the article, there's some pretty open questions about whether Xpoint is 3x the endurance of NAND, or even higher duration than NAND. And the latency improvement seems to be 2x, not the 10x you claim, or the 1000x Intel originally claimed. (Intel's own numbers compare 20ms for flash versus 10ms for XPoint...) Which isn't nothing, to be sure, but...
- Dylan16807 10y agoWell the Ars article says they're still promising 1000x lower latency so that seems pretty misleading. And that 3x endurance is vs. MLC flash; it still handily loses to SLC. The SemiAccurate article looks very fair to me.
- RachelF 10y agoProbably just marketing hype. Some numbers: Modern DDR4 RAM quad channel: 50,000MB/s Optane SSD: 2,000MB/s Also nothing on the PCIe bus is going to have a latency of RAM to the OS, unless mapped as RAM.
- wtallis 10y agoThe initial marketing blitz was all about the performance of the memory itself. Putting it in a NVMe SSD hanging off the PCIe bus instead of directly on the CPU's memory controller takes away most of the performance benefit. Intel's hit their goals for density, and missed their goals for endurance.
- patrickg_zill 10y agoUsing memtest86 on dual core Opterons got a measurement of about 2200 Mbytes/second, I think, with DDR1 PC3200 ECC RAM. I think you could get a lot of work done with a 750GB RAM (2 of these, or one coming later) and dualcore Opteron setup.
- mrb 10y agoDDR1 PC3200 single channel should give you 25.6 GB/s in theory.
- undersuit 10y agoIsn't the PC component an upper limit on performance of a DIMM? PC3200 means 3200MB/s. While a single DDR3 1600 PC12800 DIMM would max at a theoretical 12.8GB/s. Expand the tables here: http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/support-memory-speeds-compatability http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/support-memory-speeds-compatab...
- mrb 10y agoErr I made a mistake, you are right. PCx means a limit of "x" per channel. My brain read PC3200 as "DDR-3200" ie. 3200 MT/s. High-end server CPUs such as Intel Broadwell support quad-channel DDR4-2400 PC19200 which is 76.8 GB/s, a lot more bandwidth than the Octane.
- runeks 10y agoIt's weird that the article doesn't mention the actual, average latency of this device, after writing that Intel has promised a 1000x improvement in this area. It mentions that latency is below 100 microseconds 99.999% of the time, but that's not more than 100x faster than a rotational HDD, albeit with less variance.