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I am one of the people who upvoted this article. How else do you want people to bring problems out in to the open? The author of the article used their real na

by malikNF 10y ago

I am one of the people who upvoted this article. How else do you want people to bring problems out in to the open? The author of the article used their real name, made several references to other people and told their side of the story. Now its up to the accused to tell their side of the story. Even take legal action if the story is untrue. For an industry trying to get more females to take part in it, sentiments like this against possible victims is not what we should hold. Lets listen to both sides of the story and help make this industry something every one can work in.

flukus 10y ago
> For an industry trying to get more females to take part in it, sentiments like this against possible victims is not what we should hold. I'd rather an industry with 0 women than one where mere allegations (let's not pretend there haven't been some rather high profile false allegations) are career ending. On balance this guy does sound like a creep, but I don't think issue's like this should be tackled in public with people named. The rape allegations in particular, are a matter for the police and should be prosecuted.
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- objclxt 10y ago
  > I'd rather an industry with 0 women than one where mere allegations [...] are career ending. You seem to assume sexual misconduct only happens when women are in the workplace, which is plain wrong. You do know that sexual misconduct can happen between two people who aren't women, right? The misogyny in your comment is pretty overwhelming.
  - flukus 10y ago
    How is it misogyny? It's not a hatred, contempt or prejudice against women, just a statement of what I consider to be the lesser of two bad outcomes. > You do know that sexual misconduct can happen between two people who aren't women, right? The modern definition, yes. A lot of what is considered sexual harassment is considered to just be banter when it's between men.
    - wefhui 10y ago
      The author of this article is a man.
      - flukus 10y ago
        And how does the gender o the author change anything about the individual calling me a mtsoginist here? By HN standards the account would be banned, they just don't realise the term has devolved into the equivalent of fucktard.
  - Dylan16807 10y ago
    What? The idea of "men only harass women" is not misogyny.
    - flukus 10y ago
      Shh, they don't deal well with logical contradictions to ideology.
- marcus_holmes 10y ago
  The university involved has employed people specifically to deal with the issues raised, precisely so that people don't go to the police. However, it seems their job is actually to limit damage to the university's reputation. Institutional responses to sexual accusations are traditionally terrible (we're having a Royal Commission into exactly this in Australia at the moment). Horrific sexual abuses have only come to light precisely because people refused to follow the procedures and keep quiet. Sometimes the only way to get something recognised is to go public. It's a brave step, because a lot of people will react badly to accusations of sexual misconduct (for some reason).
  - flukus 10y ago
    Yes, the university and others seem to have handled it poorly. It's not her speaking out I disagree with though, it's the naming of individuals and the inevitable witch hunt that follows. At the very least leave that as an absolute last resort, it sounds like a lot of people would have guessed the offender anyway. I honestly don't know why we allow institutions to handle matters like this internally.
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by malikNF 10y ago

flukus 10y ago

> For an industry trying to get more females to take part in it, sentiments like this against possible victims is not what we should hold. I'd rather an industry with 0 women than one where mere allegations (let's not pretend there haven't been some rather high profile false allegations) are career ending. On balance this guy does sound like a creep, but I don't think issue's like this should be tackled in public with people named. The rape allegations in particular, are a matter for the police and should be prosecuted.

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objclxt 10y ago
> I'd rather an industry with 0 women than one where mere allegations [...] are career ending. You seem to assume sexual misconduct only happens when women are in the workplace, which is plain wrong. You do know that sexual misconduct can happen between two people who aren't women, right? The misogyny in your comment is pretty overwhelming.
- flukus 10y ago
  How is it misogyny? It's not a hatred, contempt or prejudice against women, just a statement of what I consider to be the lesser of two bad outcomes. > You do know that sexual misconduct can happen between two people who aren't women, right? The modern definition, yes. A lot of what is considered sexual harassment is considered to just be banter when it's between men.
  - wefhui 10y ago
    The author of this article is a man.
    - flukus 10y ago
      And how does the gender o the author change anything about the individual calling me a mtsoginist here? By HN standards the account would be banned, they just don't realise the term has devolved into the equivalent of fucktard.
- Dylan16807 10y ago
  What? The idea of "men only harass women" is not misogyny.
  - flukus 10y ago
    Shh, they don't deal well with logical contradictions to ideology.
marcus_holmes 10y ago
The university involved has employed people specifically to deal with the issues raised, precisely so that people don't go to the police. However, it seems their job is actually to limit damage to the university's reputation. Institutional responses to sexual accusations are traditionally terrible (we're having a Royal Commission into exactly this in Australia at the moment). Horrific sexual abuses have only come to light precisely because people refused to follow the procedures and keep quiet. Sometimes the only way to get something recognised is to go public. It's a brave step, because a lot of people will react badly to accusations of sexual misconduct (for some reason).
- flukus 10y ago
  Yes, the university and others seem to have handled it poorly. It's not her speaking out I disagree with though, it's the naming of individuals and the inevitable witch hunt that follows. At the very least leave that as an absolute last resort, it sounds like a lot of people would have guessed the offender anyway. I honestly don't know why we allow institutions to handle matters like this internally.
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