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A better analogy will be someone trying to rob a bank with a grey hoody and the police reviewing tapes of people closets to see everyone who bought a grey hoody
by hartator 10y ago
A better analogy will be someone trying to rob a bank with a grey hoody and the police reviewing tapes of people closets to see everyone who bought a grey hoody.
- seanmcdirmid 10y agoNot even, the correct analogy would be to view all the CCTV cameras in the city, no matter who owned them, on that day to see who was wearing a particular shade of grey hoody.
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- dagenleg 10y agoSure, if you admit that every closet in the city has a CCTV camera, you analogy is perfectly valid.
- mulmen 10y agoWhy would the cameras have to be in closets? If the hoodie is in your closet then you aren't wearing it so it means nothing. If you are seen wearing the same clothes as a suspect in a crime in a nearby location at the same time then I think that's a reasonable way to narrow down a list of suspects.
- hackuser 10y agoThe point is, the Google search is done in the privacy of your own home.
- mulmen 10y agoAre phone calls not also done in the safety of your own home? Can police request call records? Google does not exist inside your house, neither does the internet. No reasonable person could believe that they do.
- Mithaldu 10y agoMost people's closets don't fetch their contents from a place outside the people's house. By doing a google search you're explicitly asking a third party to bring you something.
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- Ensorceled 10y agoNo. A better analogy would be someone trying to rob a bank wearing a George grey hoody and the cops asking Walmart for records on who bought grey hoodies in that style. Which they actually do. And nobody freaks out about it.
- matthewmacleod 10y agoI'm not sure why you're looking in the proverbial closets – aren't you rather looking at all the tapes maintained in stores to see who bought a grey hoody?
- IanCal 10y agoThat breaks two of the key parts of this case. 1. You're giving police full access to tapes of everyone's closets. 2. Grey hoodies are common and this therefore feels like massive overkill. More realistic, for the purposes of torturing analogies further, would be the police asking for a list of all people who bought a particular and rare style of designer hat from a particular designer store on the day someone was seen committing a crime while wearing an obviously brand new one. What's being handed to the police is smaller, less revealing and much more targeted than "footage of everyone's closets".
- _archon_ 10y agoI propose further bending the analogy to make it more correct: >a particular and rare style should be "a particular style", since we don't know how prevalent the image is in places that aren't major image search engines, or for other search terms within those engines. >from a particular designer store should be "from a specific location of a particular global discount store" >on the day someone was seen committing a crime while wearing an obviously brand new one. on the Tuesday before someone was seen committing a crime while wearing one. (images, once acquired, last forever; there's nothing saying the image was acquired in the time window of the subpoena)
- IanCal 10y agoI'm not sure I understand your changes. We're talking about searching for a relatively unknown person, so I'd assume we're talking about a rare search term. This is not like asking for who searched about "wire fraud". > >from a particular designer store should be "from a specific location of a particular global discount store" Sure, fair enough, my point was simply that it was a rare thing and pretty identifiable. > (images, once acquired, last forever; there's nothing saying the image was acquired in the time window of the subpoena) I'm sorry, I don't understand this sentence.
- ryandrake 10y agoBoth examples should be equally unacceptable. When you're asking for "a list of all people who X" it's a fishing expedition not a targeted investigation of a few suspects. It doesn't matter how many rows the SELECT returns.