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> Windows 10 feels unfinished and buggy to me. Everyone makes this point, no one elaborates it. How is it buggy and unfinished? I'm using it on 5 different d

> Windows 10 feels unfinished and buggy to me. Everyone makes this point, no one elaborates it. How is it buggy and unfinished? I'm using it on 5 different devices with vastly different hardware profiles (1 modern gaming rig, 1 old gaming rig, 1 low end laptop, 1 convertible laptop, and 1 SFF PC) and they're all rock solid. I also use Windows 7 on my work laptop daily and moving back and forth between the two OSes daily always makes me appreciate Windows 10. Minor enhancements like window snapping are very nice, fixes to many/large file copies are wonderful, and the ability to actually detect and utilize modern networking equipment is fantastic. I can't think of a single thing that I prefer on Windows 7.

marcosdumay 10y ago
MS could start by fixing the start menu bug that does not allow you to start all of the installed software from there. There are many more things. The reason nobody is giving examples is because those are small things, that we circumvent in seconds and move on (to face the next bug). Most people don't even remember what the problem is. I only remember about the start menu bug because it's so kafkanian.
- Mithaldu 10y ago
  > MS could start by fixing the start menu bug that does not allow you to start all of the installed software from there. That is super vague and not usefully googlable. Link?
  - marcosdumay 10y ago
    Wat? "programs not showing up in start menu windows 10" is a perfectly good Google search. It will lead you to a ton of MS reps denying there's anything wrong with Windows. If you mess around you'll probably find this one: http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2015/07/windows-10-start-menu-breaks-with-more-than-512-apps/ http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2015/07/windows-10-start-menu-break... Funny that I couldn't reach the actual bug report anymore with that search. There are places where MS claims they increased the limit on the number of items on the start menu from 512 to 2048, but the problem was with 100 when I saw it.
    - Mithaldu 10y ago
      You said "start menu does not allow you to start all of the installed software from there" which can manifest in many different ways. And alright then, you're talking about a bug that was found in the Windows 10 Preview and fixed 1.5 years ago: https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2015/09/18/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-10547/#FeO8kVlA16H5r26W.97 https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2015/09/18/annou... Or you're talking about something entirely else.
      - marcosdumay 10y ago
        It looks similar, but if it's the same thing, it's a regression. I've only noticed the bug on my work computer this year. It's hard to say exactly what it is, because as you can see, MS publicly denies any problem (despite a lot of people reporting it) and technical information is really hard to find. All that I know is that I still can't access all the programs on the computer by the start menu. (Not a big issue, the menu is so messy that I prefer to navigate the program files in explorer anyway.)
        cptskippy 10y ago
        I'm still not entirely clear on the issue but I suspect it might be older Applications that do not adhere to Microsoft guidelines for registering Applications in the Start Menu. Once upon a time you could just dump shortcuts into a specific location and you'd have Start Menu shortcuts. While that worked up through Windows 8ish, Microsoft guidelines have said not to do that since XP. In Windows 10 they removed support for that location. Since XP they've also been telling developers to register their uninstall executable with the "Programs and Features" Control Panel Program. However even new apps (i.e. Node.JS) still drop Uninstall Shortcuts in the Start Menu. Since Windows 8 they have recommended that developer keep configuration out of the Control Panel but Adobe, Intel, Synaptics, Lenovo, and countless others still register Control Panel programs. Microsoft has been gradually migrating old Control Panel Programs to the Modern Settings App. Once they're done they will no doubt remove the Control Panel and all of these Vendors will have broken software. The problem is that Software vendors ignore Microsoft guidelines and now Microsoft is trying to fix the issues with Windows that have accumulated over the last 30 years and these failures to follow guidelines are starting to become apparent.
Willamin 10y ago
It feels buggy and unfinished to me because of the inconsistent ui. For example, look at the inconsistencies of right-click context menus: http://nl.pcmweb.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/uploads/2016/01/29/menusmenusmenus.jpg http://nl.pcmweb.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/uploads/2016/01/...
- Mithaldu 10y ago
  That example is either out-dated or was not made with good care. On my system there are three types of menus and within each group they are consistent: http://i.imgur.com/ig4gvgc.png http://i.imgur.com/ig4gvgc.png - the ones Edge renders - the ones the taskbar renders - the ones rendered for pure window chrome Also, some details between the groups differ, but they're still rendered with the same code and UX. What differs is only the styling, colors, padding, margins.
- cptskippy 10y ago
  I'm not sure how inconsistent UI equates to buggy but I see this argument a lot and it's mostly unfounded. Those inconsistent UI screenshots are always different versions of the OS or different themes. I made my own comparison 2 months ago to show that it's not that bad. http://i.imgur.com/nCmOrmn.png http://i.imgur.com/nCmOrmn.png The other annoying thing is that this is portrayed as a Microsoft thing. Linux Desktop UIs are horribly inconsistent but it's somehow ok. People just about lose their minds when Apple updates the UI of iTunes or Safari out of band with the rest of the OS. Microsoft hasn't done much to bring GDI UI elements up to Modern UI specs and that's the main pain point. The consistency variations between UI elements in Modern UI apps comes down to individual Apps doing different things. That happens on all OSes with vendors like Adobe all the time.
112233 10y ago
For me 10 feels more buggy because of many small details that create an always-shifting, async-updating, never-where-I-put-it experience. Compared to that, even crashes in XP felt more... robust? Some examples: When copying files, copy progress dialog is sometimes opened hidden behind all other windows The ui formerly known as start menu populates search results incrementally, so Win+program name+enter can open different thing based on timing Randomly self-reboots at night, breaking long uploads or batches. Force-installs drivers (NVIDIA, synaptics, ...) that crash on current setup or lose features. Even during the work. Randomly resets file associations. Resets some settings to default on upgrade.
- cptskippy 10y ago
  These complaints are somewhat valid and also not exclusively Windows things. I've experienced similar issues on every other major platform. > When copying files, copy progress dialog is sometimes opened hidden behind all other windows I've not personally experienced this. If you initiate a Copy and then change focus, the dialog will not steal focus. Perhaps that's what you're experiencing? I despise when apps steal focus (i.e. Outlook 2015/Skype 2015 splash screens) and so I appreciate this aspect of it. > The ui formerly known as start menu populates search results incrementally, so Win+program name+enter can open different thing based on timing That happens to me constantly on Windows 7, this isn't something new. As of right now, if I type "windows update" in the Win7 Start Menu and hit enter it launches "Lenovo Update" on my laptop. If I wait then I get an Apps list of Lenovo Update, Java Update, Intel Update; then gradually documents, downloads, One Drive searches, and then at the last moment "Windows Update" appends itself to the bottom of the Apps list. > Randomly self-reboots at night, breaking long uploads or batches. There's nothing random about this. When an update is installed that requires a reboot then Windows notifies you that it scheduled a reboot outside of the Active Hours you defined. That notification sits in the tray until you manually dismiss it. You have the option to click on it and open the "Restart Options" menu which allows you to put off the reboot for up to 7 days. If the update is installed while you're not present and you never return before the reboot is scheduled to occur then I'm going to assume it reboots. I would like to say that it holds off the reboot for up to 7 days for you to return to the PC but I don't believe that to be true. > Force-installs drivers (NVIDIA, synaptics, ...) that crash on current setup or lose features. Even during the work. Windows will install baseline drivers for hardware that doesn't have a proper driver installed. These drivers do not necessarily have the full functionality of drivers you download directly from the vendor, however they are provided by the vendor. If you've installed a driver directly from the Vendor, Windows will not supersede that install with the Windows Update Version but will instead list the version in Windows Update as available to install. > Randomly resets file associations. Windows Media Player on Windows 7 is the only time that I have experienced this issue. I don't use any of Microsoft's preferred Apps (e.g. Edge, Mail, Groove, etc), I have different defaults associated, and I have never had this happen. I have had an issue where x86 and x64 versions of Firefox were both installed and, when I uninstalled the x86 version, Windows notified me that it changed associations back to Edge since the x86 install was set as the default browser. The notification was not temporary, it sat in the notification tray until I manually dismissed it. That behavior is perfectly reasonable to me. > Resets some settings to default on upgrade. This is true of lots of software, I've had it happen with Chrome, Firefox, and iTunes with in the last 6 months. It doesn't always happen with Windows and it doesn't always happen in other software, but it happens. I cannot recall this happening to me in Windows 10 other than during a major update to a product. Specifically when they made significant improvements to Cortona and wanted you to give it another look, in that case it reset to the setting from disabled to "setup and configuration" mode but it didn't enable Cortona.
nas 10y ago
It's pretty clear to me that they started upgrading the "Control Panel" menus and never finished the job. At a surface level, you get new-style flat, simplified dialog boxes. To change more advanced settings, you jump into the old-style dialogs.
- cptskippy 10y ago
  Absolutely that's what they're doing. The old Control Panel is very byzantine and cannot be completely done away with primarily because it's a modular system that vendors hook into when they add proprietary configurations for their hardware or software (e.g. Synaptics, Lenovo, Intel, Adobe). For backwards compatibility purposes they cannot just scrap it. The aspects of the Control Panel that they do control have portions that date all the way back to Windows 3.1 and it's no small feat for them to refactor them into Modern UI apps. Instead of halting all OS progress until that herculean effort can be completed, they've chosen to gradually migrate or deprecate Control Panel features. This has been an on going project since Windows 8 and they've made a lot of progress. Many of the ancient UI elements like the "Windows Color and Appearance" panel are gone in Windows 10. Personally I'd rather have it happen this way than the Apple approach (i.e. removing the UI and forcing you to edit plist files).
rincebrain 10y ago
Windows 10 feels unfinished because a bunch of the UI seems to be in transition between older interfaces and newer ones, sometimes lossily - and I'm not talking about third-party components, I'm talking about things like configuring networking in Windows 10, or not being able to find a way to convince the new UI widget to tell you the capacity of batteries any more. (There were probably more examples, those were just the two that sprung to mind.) It feels buggy because if I left File Explorer windows open, eventually all of explorer would stop responding until I killed it and restarted it. If I used a machine for a couple of days without restart, DWM would lock up and suddenly I'd get to try to remember the commands to kill dwm.exe and type them flawlessly without being able to see what I'm doing, or restart the machine. Sleep and hibernate, both of which work reliably under 7 on my laptop, have about a 50/50 shot of waking up or coming up to a black screen - which, itself, has a 50/50 chance of either being a login prompt which is just not displaying and if I enter my password and press enter, it will bring up the suspended environment, or just a permanently frozen unresponsive black screen. Oh, and Start Menu searching being completely broken - attempting to type, say, Firefox would prompt me to search the web for Firefox as the top result, or I could open All Programs and there's Mozilla Firefox. I'm sure there are other things I've forgotten. But that's a concise list of what I recall. (A quick addendum - my Windows 10 was patched up to date as of December 2016, which is when I sent my machine off for repair and started using 7 again, so this isn't just some artifact of the Windows 10 Preview or early builds.)
- cptskippy 10y ago
  > Windows 10 feels unfinished That's true but another way to look at it is that it's in a constant state of improvement. There's 30 years of legacy that they're taking the time to refactor correctly rather than just skin or eliminate entirely. > I'm talking about things like configuring networking in Windows 10 That is one of the very rough areas right now. They have the basic functionality in there but then shifted focus to other areas. Actually getting to the legacy control panel App to make changes to things like DHCP and DNS settings is ass backwards at the moment. > not being able to find a way to convince the new UI widget to tell you the capacity of batteries any more. That sounds like a hardware specific issue. If I hover over my battery indicator I get both a percentage and time estimate. If I click on the indicator I get the same information and the option to change power mode. > It feels buggy because if I left File Explorer windows open, eventually all of explorer would stop responding until I killed it and restarted it. If I used a machine for a couple of days without restart, DWM would lock up and suddenly I'd get to try to remember the commands to kill dwm.exe and type them flawlessly without being able to see what I'm doing, or restart the machine. Your explorer issue sounds like it could either be a hardware issue with a storage device or a problem with network discovery. Since DWM uses GPU compositing now, I'm going to say that you might have a hardware issue. I have 3 PCs running 24/7 that I either sit at or RDP into daily and I've never experienced anything like what you're describing. > Sleep and hibernate, both of which work reliably under 7 on my laptop, have about a 50/50 shot of waking up or coming up to a black screen - which, itself, has a 50/50 chance of either being a login prompt which is just not displaying and if I enter my password and press enter, it will bring up the suspended environment, or just a permanently frozen unresponsive black screen. I ran into this on my laptop when I upgraded it from Win8.1 to Win10 and left the vendor's Power Management AND Bluetooth drivers installed. After removing all vendor supplied drivers and allowing Windows Update to install new ones, it has behaved perfectly. > Oh, and Start Menu searching being completely broken - attempting to type, say, Firefox would prompt me to search the web for Firefox as the top result, or I could open All Programs and there's Mozilla Firefox. That sounds an awful lot like Windows 7. For starters there's no "All Programs" in Windows 10. I tried with Cortona on and off and could not reproduce that result. Every time I typed "Firefox" into the search bar or just with the Start Menu opened, the Best Match was the "Mozilla Firefox" shortcut. Now Windows 8.x/2012.x had a slow search feature and a nasty habit of just searching the web if you hit enter after typing your query but all of that is gone in Windows 10.

marcosdumay 10y ago

MS could start by fixing the start menu bug that does not allow you to start all of the installed software from there. There are many more things. The reason nobody is giving examples is because those are small things, that we circumvent in seconds and move on (to face the next bug). Most people don't even remember what the problem is. I only remember about the start menu bug because it's so kafkanian.

Mithaldu 10y ago
> MS could start by fixing the start menu bug that does not allow you to start all of the installed software from there. That is super vague and not usefully googlable. Link?
- marcosdumay 10y ago
  Wat? "programs not showing up in start menu windows 10" is a perfectly good Google search. It will lead you to a ton of MS reps denying there's anything wrong with Windows. If you mess around you'll probably find this one: http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2015/07/windows-10-start-menu-breaks-with-more-than-512-apps/ http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2015/07/windows-10-start-menu-break... Funny that I couldn't reach the actual bug report anymore with that search. There are places where MS claims they increased the limit on the number of items on the start menu from 512 to 2048, but the problem was with 100 when I saw it.
  - Mithaldu 10y ago
    You said "start menu does not allow you to start all of the installed software from there" which can manifest in many different ways. And alright then, you're talking about a bug that was found in the Windows 10 Preview and fixed 1.5 years ago: https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2015/09/18/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-10547/#FeO8kVlA16H5r26W.97 https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2015/09/18/annou... Or you're talking about something entirely else.
    - marcosdumay 10y ago
      It looks similar, but if it's the same thing, it's a regression. I've only noticed the bug on my work computer this year. It's hard to say exactly what it is, because as you can see, MS publicly denies any problem (despite a lot of people reporting it) and technical information is really hard to find. All that I know is that I still can't access all the programs on the computer by the start menu. (Not a big issue, the menu is so messy that I prefer to navigate the program files in explorer anyway.)
      - cptskippy 10y ago
        I'm still not entirely clear on the issue but I suspect it might be older Applications that do not adhere to Microsoft guidelines for registering Applications in the Start Menu. Once upon a time you could just dump shortcuts into a specific location and you'd have Start Menu shortcuts. While that worked up through Windows 8ish, Microsoft guidelines have said not to do that since XP. In Windows 10 they removed support for that location. Since XP they've also been telling developers to register their uninstall executable with the "Programs and Features" Control Panel Program. However even new apps (i.e. Node.JS) still drop Uninstall Shortcuts in the Start Menu. Since Windows 8 they have recommended that developer keep configuration out of the Control Panel but Adobe, Intel, Synaptics, Lenovo, and countless others still register Control Panel programs. Microsoft has been gradually migrating old Control Panel Programs to the Modern Settings App. Once they're done they will no doubt remove the Control Panel and all of these Vendors will have broken software. The problem is that Software vendors ignore Microsoft guidelines and now Microsoft is trying to fix the issues with Windows that have accumulated over the last 30 years and these failures to follow guidelines are starting to become apparent.

Willamin 10y ago

It feels buggy and unfinished to me because of the inconsistent ui. For example, look at the inconsistencies of right-click context menus: http://nl.pcmweb.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/uploads/2016/01/29/menusmenusmenus.jpg http://nl.pcmweb.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/uploads/2016/01/...

Mithaldu 10y ago
That example is either out-dated or was not made with good care. On my system there are three types of menus and within each group they are consistent: http://i.imgur.com/ig4gvgc.png http://i.imgur.com/ig4gvgc.png - the ones Edge renders - the ones the taskbar renders - the ones rendered for pure window chrome Also, some details between the groups differ, but they're still rendered with the same code and UX. What differs is only the styling, colors, padding, margins.
cptskippy 10y ago
I'm not sure how inconsistent UI equates to buggy but I see this argument a lot and it's mostly unfounded. Those inconsistent UI screenshots are always different versions of the OS or different themes. I made my own comparison 2 months ago to show that it's not that bad. http://i.imgur.com/nCmOrmn.png http://i.imgur.com/nCmOrmn.png The other annoying thing is that this is portrayed as a Microsoft thing. Linux Desktop UIs are horribly inconsistent but it's somehow ok. People just about lose their minds when Apple updates the UI of iTunes or Safari out of band with the rest of the OS. Microsoft hasn't done much to bring GDI UI elements up to Modern UI specs and that's the main pain point. The consistency variations between UI elements in Modern UI apps comes down to individual Apps doing different things. That happens on all OSes with vendors like Adobe all the time.

112233 10y ago

For me 10 feels more buggy because of many small details that create an always-shifting, async-updating, never-where-I-put-it experience. Compared to that, even crashes in XP felt more... robust? Some examples: When copying files, copy progress dialog is sometimes opened hidden behind all other windows The ui formerly known as start menu populates search results incrementally, so Win+program name+enter can open different thing based on timing Randomly self-reboots at night, breaking long uploads or batches. Force-installs drivers (NVIDIA, synaptics, ...) that crash on current setup or lose features. Even during the work. Randomly resets file associations. Resets some settings to default on upgrade.

cptskippy 10y ago
These complaints are somewhat valid and also not exclusively Windows things. I've experienced similar issues on every other major platform. > When copying files, copy progress dialog is sometimes opened hidden behind all other windows I've not personally experienced this. If you initiate a Copy and then change focus, the dialog will not steal focus. Perhaps that's what you're experiencing? I despise when apps steal focus (i.e. Outlook 2015/Skype 2015 splash screens) and so I appreciate this aspect of it. > The ui formerly known as start menu populates search results incrementally, so Win+program name+enter can open different thing based on timing That happens to me constantly on Windows 7, this isn't something new. As of right now, if I type "windows update" in the Win7 Start Menu and hit enter it launches "Lenovo Update" on my laptop. If I wait then I get an Apps list of Lenovo Update, Java Update, Intel Update; then gradually documents, downloads, One Drive searches, and then at the last moment "Windows Update" appends itself to the bottom of the Apps list. > Randomly self-reboots at night, breaking long uploads or batches. There's nothing random about this. When an update is installed that requires a reboot then Windows notifies you that it scheduled a reboot outside of the Active Hours you defined. That notification sits in the tray until you manually dismiss it. You have the option to click on it and open the "Restart Options" menu which allows you to put off the reboot for up to 7 days. If the update is installed while you're not present and you never return before the reboot is scheduled to occur then I'm going to assume it reboots. I would like to say that it holds off the reboot for up to 7 days for you to return to the PC but I don't believe that to be true. > Force-installs drivers (NVIDIA, synaptics, ...) that crash on current setup or lose features. Even during the work. Windows will install baseline drivers for hardware that doesn't have a proper driver installed. These drivers do not necessarily have the full functionality of drivers you download directly from the vendor, however they are provided by the vendor. If you've installed a driver directly from the Vendor, Windows will not supersede that install with the Windows Update Version but will instead list the version in Windows Update as available to install. > Randomly resets file associations. Windows Media Player on Windows 7 is the only time that I have experienced this issue. I don't use any of Microsoft's preferred Apps (e.g. Edge, Mail, Groove, etc), I have different defaults associated, and I have never had this happen. I have had an issue where x86 and x64 versions of Firefox were both installed and, when I uninstalled the x86 version, Windows notified me that it changed associations back to Edge since the x86 install was set as the default browser. The notification was not temporary, it sat in the notification tray until I manually dismissed it. That behavior is perfectly reasonable to me. > Resets some settings to default on upgrade. This is true of lots of software, I've had it happen with Chrome, Firefox, and iTunes with in the last 6 months. It doesn't always happen with Windows and it doesn't always happen in other software, but it happens. I cannot recall this happening to me in Windows 10 other than during a major update to a product. Specifically when they made significant improvements to Cortona and wanted you to give it another look, in that case it reset to the setting from disabled to "setup and configuration" mode but it didn't enable Cortona.

nas 10y ago

It's pretty clear to me that they started upgrading the "Control Panel" menus and never finished the job. At a surface level, you get new-style flat, simplified dialog boxes. To change more advanced settings, you jump into the old-style dialogs.

cptskippy 10y ago
Absolutely that's what they're doing. The old Control Panel is very byzantine and cannot be completely done away with primarily because it's a modular system that vendors hook into when they add proprietary configurations for their hardware or software (e.g. Synaptics, Lenovo, Intel, Adobe). For backwards compatibility purposes they cannot just scrap it. The aspects of the Control Panel that they do control have portions that date all the way back to Windows 3.1 and it's no small feat for them to refactor them into Modern UI apps. Instead of halting all OS progress until that herculean effort can be completed, they've chosen to gradually migrate or deprecate Control Panel features. This has been an on going project since Windows 8 and they've made a lot of progress. Many of the ancient UI elements like the "Windows Color and Appearance" panel are gone in Windows 10. Personally I'd rather have it happen this way than the Apple approach (i.e. removing the UI and forcing you to edit plist files).

rincebrain 10y ago

Windows 10 feels unfinished because a bunch of the UI seems to be in transition between older interfaces and newer ones, sometimes lossily - and I'm not talking about third-party components, I'm talking about things like configuring networking in Windows 10, or not being able to find a way to convince the new UI widget to tell you the capacity of batteries any more. (There were probably more examples, those were just the two that sprung to mind.) It feels buggy because if I left File Explorer windows open, eventually all of explorer would stop responding until I killed it and restarted it. If I used a machine for a couple of days without restart, DWM would lock up and suddenly I'd get to try to remember the commands to kill dwm.exe and type them flawlessly without being able to see what I'm doing, or restart the machine. Sleep and hibernate, both of which work reliably under 7 on my laptop, have about a 50/50 shot of waking up or coming up to a black screen - which, itself, has a 50/50 chance of either being a login prompt which is just not displaying and if I enter my password and press enter, it will bring up the suspended environment, or just a permanently frozen unresponsive black screen. Oh, and Start Menu searching being completely broken - attempting to type, say, Firefox would prompt me to search the web for Firefox as the top result, or I could open All Programs and there's Mozilla Firefox. I'm sure there are other things I've forgotten. But that's a concise list of what I recall. (A quick addendum - my Windows 10 was patched up to date as of December 2016, which is when I sent my machine off for repair and started using 7 again, so this isn't just some artifact of the Windows 10 Preview or early builds.)

cptskippy 10y ago
> Windows 10 feels unfinished That's true but another way to look at it is that it's in a constant state of improvement. There's 30 years of legacy that they're taking the time to refactor correctly rather than just skin or eliminate entirely. > I'm talking about things like configuring networking in Windows 10 That is one of the very rough areas right now. They have the basic functionality in there but then shifted focus to other areas. Actually getting to the legacy control panel App to make changes to things like DHCP and DNS settings is ass backwards at the moment. > not being able to find a way to convince the new UI widget to tell you the capacity of batteries any more. That sounds like a hardware specific issue. If I hover over my battery indicator I get both a percentage and time estimate. If I click on the indicator I get the same information and the option to change power mode. > It feels buggy because if I left File Explorer windows open, eventually all of explorer would stop responding until I killed it and restarted it. If I used a machine for a couple of days without restart, DWM would lock up and suddenly I'd get to try to remember the commands to kill dwm.exe and type them flawlessly without being able to see what I'm doing, or restart the machine. Your explorer issue sounds like it could either be a hardware issue with a storage device or a problem with network discovery. Since DWM uses GPU compositing now, I'm going to say that you might have a hardware issue. I have 3 PCs running 24/7 that I either sit at or RDP into daily and I've never experienced anything like what you're describing. > Sleep and hibernate, both of which work reliably under 7 on my laptop, have about a 50/50 shot of waking up or coming up to a black screen - which, itself, has a 50/50 chance of either being a login prompt which is just not displaying and if I enter my password and press enter, it will bring up the suspended environment, or just a permanently frozen unresponsive black screen. I ran into this on my laptop when I upgraded it from Win8.1 to Win10 and left the vendor's Power Management AND Bluetooth drivers installed. After removing all vendor supplied drivers and allowing Windows Update to install new ones, it has behaved perfectly. > Oh, and Start Menu searching being completely broken - attempting to type, say, Firefox would prompt me to search the web for Firefox as the top result, or I could open All Programs and there's Mozilla Firefox. That sounds an awful lot like Windows 7. For starters there's no "All Programs" in Windows 10. I tried with Cortona on and off and could not reproduce that result. Every time I typed "Firefox" into the search bar or just with the Start Menu opened, the Best Match was the "Mozilla Firefox" shortcut. Now Windows 8.x/2012.x had a slow search feature and a nasty habit of just searching the web if you hit enter after typing your query but all of that is gone in Windows 10.