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This seems like they have enormous pressure from on high to make sure Windows 7 doesn't become another XP that they have to support for 15 years By Any Means Ne

This seems like they have enormous pressure from on high to make sure Windows 7 doesn't become another XP that they have to support for 15 years By Any Means Necessary. If circumstances were different, I might even be applauding them for taking strong corrective actions against another XP doomsday scenario, or for moving to rolling release, both of which seem like great plans. The reason I'm not is that Windows 10 feels unfinished and buggy to me. I gave it more than a chance, I used it as my primary OS for a year and change - but even after all that time, I still felt like I was fighting the OS far too frequently, and when my laptop had to go out for service, I threw Windows 7 on the older backup laptop. So while I advise people who ask me to use Windows 10 if they can tolerate it, I can't say that I'm supportive of their efforts to forcibly move everyone onto their latest platform. (I'm extremely familiar with running Linux, before anyone jumps in to recommend it - the Windows installs are for running Windows-native software that doesn't run well under Linux and for doing things like lots of RDPing that are extremely cumbersome inside Linux. All machines in this story dual-boot.)

gambiting 10y ago
I'm in the same boat - downgraded to 7 from 10 twice now, because 10 continues to be one of the most buggy MS systems I have used so far, with overall lack of polish in pretty much every corner, with UI taking top prize for how illogical it is(Metro design everywhere, yay!) - if you can't tell how something works by looking at it for 5 seconds, it's bad design. 7 is still the most stable, bug-free and clearly designed OS at the moment, with MacOS close second(although it's slipping away steadily with every iteration).
oxide 10y ago
>The reason I'm not is that Windows 10 feels unfinished and buggy to me. I agree, this is the reason I also haven't moved to Windows 10. I figure by the time Windows 7 support is dropped in 2020, Windows 10 may be more polished.
lossolo 10y ago
I am using windows 10 from the release date and I had a lot of problems in beginning but seems that all of them disappeared with updates, I don't have them anymore.
douche 10y ago
If you can get it[1], install the Windows 10 LTSB (Long Term Servicing Branch) installation[2]. It has all the kernel-level improvements that make Windows 10 better than 7, without all of the bullshit that was sprinkled on top of the consumer versions of Windows 10. [1] Currently seems to be restricted to enterprise licensing agreements or MSDN subscribers. Or other places... [2] https://www.howtogeek.com/273824/windows-10-without-the-cruft-windows-10-ltsb-explained/ https://www.howtogeek.com/273824/windows-10-without-the-cruf...
- andai 10y ago
  Wow great tip! If I had to use 10 I would go for this one. Do you know if there's any way for a end user to get the enterprise license? They say it's $7 a month, but do you need to a registered business or something?
- 0x4a42 10y ago
  But Win10 LTSB doesn't have Edge.
cptskippy 10y ago
> Windows 10 feels unfinished and buggy to me. Everyone makes this point, no one elaborates it. How is it buggy and unfinished? I'm using it on 5 different devices with vastly different hardware profiles (1 modern gaming rig, 1 old gaming rig, 1 low end laptop, 1 convertible laptop, and 1 SFF PC) and they're all rock solid. I also use Windows 7 on my work laptop daily and moving back and forth between the two OSes daily always makes me appreciate Windows 10. Minor enhancements like window snapping are very nice, fixes to many/large file copies are wonderful, and the ability to actually detect and utilize modern networking equipment is fantastic. I can't think of a single thing that I prefer on Windows 7.
- marcosdumay 10y ago
  MS could start by fixing the start menu bug that does not allow you to start all of the installed software from there. There are many more things. The reason nobody is giving examples is because those are small things, that we circumvent in seconds and move on (to face the next bug). Most people don't even remember what the problem is. I only remember about the start menu bug because it's so kafkanian.
  - Mithaldu 10y ago
    > MS could start by fixing the start menu bug that does not allow you to start all of the installed software from there. That is super vague and not usefully googlable. Link?
    - marcosdumay 10y ago
      Wat? "programs not showing up in start menu windows 10" is a perfectly good Google search. It will lead you to a ton of MS reps denying there's anything wrong with Windows. If you mess around you'll probably find this one: http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2015/07/windows-10-start-menu-breaks-with-more-than-512-apps/ http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2015/07/windows-10-start-menu-break... Funny that I couldn't reach the actual bug report anymore with that search. There are places where MS claims they increased the limit on the number of items on the start menu from 512 to 2048, but the problem was with 100 when I saw it.
reacweb 10y ago
XP was the last unobtrusive OS of microsoft.

gambiting 10y ago

I'm in the same boat - downgraded to 7 from 10 twice now, because 10 continues to be one of the most buggy MS systems I have used so far, with overall lack of polish in pretty much every corner, with UI taking top prize for how illogical it is(Metro design everywhere, yay!) - if you can't tell how something works by looking at it for 5 seconds, it's bad design. 7 is still the most stable, bug-free and clearly designed OS at the moment, with MacOS close second(although it's slipping away steadily with every iteration).

oxide 10y ago

>The reason I'm not is that Windows 10 feels unfinished and buggy to me. I agree, this is the reason I also haven't moved to Windows 10. I figure by the time Windows 7 support is dropped in 2020, Windows 10 may be more polished.

lossolo 10y ago

I am using windows 10 from the release date and I had a lot of problems in beginning but seems that all of them disappeared with updates, I don't have them anymore.

douche 10y ago

If you can get it[1], install the Windows 10 LTSB (Long Term Servicing Branch) installation[2]. It has all the kernel-level improvements that make Windows 10 better than 7, without all of the bullshit that was sprinkled on top of the consumer versions of Windows 10. [1] Currently seems to be restricted to enterprise licensing agreements or MSDN subscribers. Or other places... [2] https://www.howtogeek.com/273824/windows-10-without-the-cruft-windows-10-ltsb-explained/ https://www.howtogeek.com/273824/windows-10-without-the-cruf...

andai 10y ago
Wow great tip! If I had to use 10 I would go for this one. Do you know if there's any way for a end user to get the enterprise license? They say it's $7 a month, but do you need to a registered business or something?
0x4a42 10y ago
But Win10 LTSB doesn't have Edge.

cptskippy 10y ago

> Windows 10 feels unfinished and buggy to me. Everyone makes this point, no one elaborates it. How is it buggy and unfinished? I'm using it on 5 different devices with vastly different hardware profiles (1 modern gaming rig, 1 old gaming rig, 1 low end laptop, 1 convertible laptop, and 1 SFF PC) and they're all rock solid. I also use Windows 7 on my work laptop daily and moving back and forth between the two OSes daily always makes me appreciate Windows 10. Minor enhancements like window snapping are very nice, fixes to many/large file copies are wonderful, and the ability to actually detect and utilize modern networking equipment is fantastic. I can't think of a single thing that I prefer on Windows 7.

marcosdumay 10y ago
MS could start by fixing the start menu bug that does not allow you to start all of the installed software from there. There are many more things. The reason nobody is giving examples is because those are small things, that we circumvent in seconds and move on (to face the next bug). Most people don't even remember what the problem is. I only remember about the start menu bug because it's so kafkanian.
- Mithaldu 10y ago
  > MS could start by fixing the start menu bug that does not allow you to start all of the installed software from there. That is super vague and not usefully googlable. Link?
  - marcosdumay 10y ago
    Wat? "programs not showing up in start menu windows 10" is a perfectly good Google search. It will lead you to a ton of MS reps denying there's anything wrong with Windows. If you mess around you'll probably find this one: http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2015/07/windows-10-start-menu-breaks-with-more-than-512-apps/ http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2015/07/windows-10-start-menu-break... Funny that I couldn't reach the actual bug report anymore with that search. There are places where MS claims they increased the limit on the number of items on the start menu from 512 to 2048, but the problem was with 100 when I saw it.

reacweb 10y ago

XP was the last unobtrusive OS of microsoft.