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15%, regardless of the service? Don't pat yourself on the back so hard.

dorfsmay 10y ago
I'm not patting myself on the back... I'm saying that I don't want to participate in the tipping system, but we know that waiters are not paid fairly. I see the 15% as the salary that is not, but should be, included in the menu. The fact that you thought I was getting an ego boost from tipping is the reason tipping exist, giving people an illusion of power/status.
ProfessorLayton 10y ago
What's the implication here? The parent post paid more than they were required, if not then the business could charge more to cover their costs. This kind of thinking is precisely what's wrong with tipping in the first place.
- thesmallestcat 10y ago
  The implication is that 20% the widely accepted minimum "good tip" rate, and consistently tipping 15% is consistently being cheap. Especially when you're a tech worker FFS. Let's break out of our echo chamber a bit. In the US, tipping isn't "paying more than required," it's basic manners. You can argue until you're blue in the face about how businesses are to blame, but the vast majority of society, who have no big beef with tipping culture, will find you cheap rather than discerning.
  - dorfsmay 10y ago
    I'm in Canada whre 15% is considered "normal". I did not know 20% was the normal in the U.S.
    - NikolaNovak 10y ago
      Agreed; 15% here in Canada is considered normal/polite/nice, but I also believe our wages for service workers are higher. The USA "$2.13/hour for tipped worker" feels like both business AND government forcing you to pay employee wages... Canada minimum wage: https://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/pubs/guide/minwage.php https://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/pubs/guide/minwage.p... Liquor Servers Minimum Wage $9.90/hour
    - 1123581321 10y ago
      20% is not the normal minimum in the US. Edit: here are some supporting links. 15-20% suggested with 20%+ recognized as a minority opinion and for extra good service: http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/02/travel/experts-guide-to-tipping-in-the-united-states/ http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/02/travel/experts-guide-to-tippin... The highest tipping state averages 17% and the lowest averages 15%: https://qz.com/189458/the-united-states-of-tipping/ https://qz.com/189458/the-united-states-of-tipping/
      - dorfsmay 10y ago
        More proof that tipping is wrong, local variances with no way to find the local standard!
    - rhino369 10y ago
      Some people have been claiming that 20% is normal for the US. But many people believe 15%. There are even some people who claim that 25% should be the norm. You can definitely get away with 15% at places where you don't regularly eat. I do 20% at regular places where the waiter will remember me for sure and I don't want them to get the idea that I don't like them.
  - whathappenedto 10y ago
    Actual data shows the average tip is 16.1% https://qz.com/189458/the-united-states-of-tipping/ https://qz.com/189458/the-united-states-of-tipping/
    - thesmallestcat 10y ago
      Those are tip numbers reported by Square. Original reply was to comment about tipping at restaurants, not POS tips. I found 16.1% surprisingly high for Square tips, actually. But even then, 15% is below average.
      - sf_rob 10y ago
        Plus being from Square I imagine the data will be biased by the suggestion to tip / preset amounts.
  - Larrikin 10y ago
    It is not basic manners and nobody cares what you tip except current and former waiters that were getting ripped off by the owners. 20% extra on top for doing your job shouldn't be expected.
    - URSpider94 10y ago
      Did you know that in most states wait staff can be paid as low as $3 per hour, under the assumption that tips will bring them up above minimum wage? The law literally assumes that customers will tip them. It's not just a nice custom, it is fully expected in the transaction.
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  - yardie 10y ago
    If 20% is the expected then they can price that into the food rather than this stupid charade where we don't know the price but are expected to know the price. 15% is perfectly fine.
  - nomagicbullet 10y ago
    Accusing people of being "cheap" is the lamest insult anybody can come up with. Try again.

I'm not patting myself on the back... I'm saying that I don't want to participate in the tipping system, but we know that waiters are not paid fairly. I see the 15% as the salary that is not, but should be, included in the menu. The fact that you thought I was getting an ego boost from tipping is the reason tipping exist, giving people an illusion of power/status.

ProfessorLayton 10y ago

What's the implication here? The parent post paid more than they were required, if not then the business could charge more to cover their costs. This kind of thinking is precisely what's wrong with tipping in the first place.

thesmallestcat 10y ago
The implication is that 20% the widely accepted minimum "good tip" rate, and consistently tipping 15% is consistently being cheap. Especially when you're a tech worker FFS. Let's break out of our echo chamber a bit. In the US, tipping isn't "paying more than required," it's basic manners. You can argue until you're blue in the face about how businesses are to blame, but the vast majority of society, who have no big beef with tipping culture, will find you cheap rather than discerning.
- dorfsmay 10y ago
  I'm in Canada whre 15% is considered "normal". I did not know 20% was the normal in the U.S.
  - NikolaNovak 10y ago
    Agreed; 15% here in Canada is considered normal/polite/nice, but I also believe our wages for service workers are higher. The USA "$2.13/hour for tipped worker" feels like both business AND government forcing you to pay employee wages... Canada minimum wage: https://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/pubs/guide/minwage.php https://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/pubs/guide/minwage.p... Liquor Servers Minimum Wage $9.90/hour
  - 1123581321 10y ago
    20% is not the normal minimum in the US. Edit: here are some supporting links. 15-20% suggested with 20%+ recognized as a minority opinion and for extra good service: http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/02/travel/experts-guide-to-tipping-in-the-united-states/ http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/02/travel/experts-guide-to-tippin... The highest tipping state averages 17% and the lowest averages 15%: https://qz.com/189458/the-united-states-of-tipping/ https://qz.com/189458/the-united-states-of-tipping/
    - dorfsmay 10y ago
      More proof that tipping is wrong, local variances with no way to find the local standard!
  - rhino369 10y ago
    Some people have been claiming that 20% is normal for the US. But many people believe 15%. There are even some people who claim that 25% should be the norm. You can definitely get away with 15% at places where you don't regularly eat. I do 20% at regular places where the waiter will remember me for sure and I don't want them to get the idea that I don't like them.
- whathappenedto 10y ago
  Actual data shows the average tip is 16.1% https://qz.com/189458/the-united-states-of-tipping/ https://qz.com/189458/the-united-states-of-tipping/
  - thesmallestcat 10y ago
    Those are tip numbers reported by Square. Original reply was to comment about tipping at restaurants, not POS tips. I found 16.1% surprisingly high for Square tips, actually. But even then, 15% is below average.
    - sf_rob 10y ago
      Plus being from Square I imagine the data will be biased by the suggestion to tip / preset amounts.
- Larrikin 10y ago
  It is not basic manners and nobody cares what you tip except current and former waiters that were getting ripped off by the owners. 20% extra on top for doing your job shouldn't be expected.
  - URSpider94 10y ago
    Did you know that in most states wait staff can be paid as low as $3 per hour, under the assumption that tips will bring them up above minimum wage? The law literally assumes that customers will tip them. It's not just a nice custom, it is fully expected in the transaction.
    - deleted 10y ago
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- yardie 10y ago
  If 20% is the expected then they can price that into the food rather than this stupid charade where we don't know the price but are expected to know the price. 15% is perfectly fine.
- nomagicbullet 10y ago
  Accusing people of being "cheap" is the lamest insult anybody can come up with. Try again.