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How is it easiest? Perhaps most accessible how society is currently setup, but beans, tofu, etc are all good for you, plenty of vegan body builders rely on them

How is it easiest? Perhaps most accessible how society is currently setup, but beans, tofu, etc are all good for you, plenty of vegan body builders rely on them. This "high quality" protein myth is garbage.

jordanthoms 10y ago
Chicken breast and many other meats have a much higher ratio of protein compared to carbs and fat than tofu, beans, etc.
- marricks 10y ago
  This argument boggles my mind. Are we all body builders? Why do we need to eat like them? There's this protein craze going on that we all need to eat the densest sources of protein cause we all look like Arnold. The amount of protein in seeds, tofu, seitan, nuts, legumes is plenty for almost anyone. And if you are power lifting even omnivore lifters take protein shakes after working out usually.
  - jimmywanger 10y ago
    > Why do we need to eat like them? You're shifting the argument. The point isn't that we need to eat like them, it's that we want to, and meat is delicious. > The amount of protein in seeds, tofu, seitan, nuts, legumes is plenty for almost anyone. By that logic, there'd be no point in manufacturing sports cars or macbook pros anymore, because normal cars and Chromebooks have enough power for "almost anyone".
    - tluyben2 10y ago
      > it's that we want to, and meat is delicious. Matter of taste? I don't like it much, never did and I grew up in a family were we ate tons of meat and vegetarian was a dirty word. I like 'a bite' of very good beef, but I could never eat a whole steak; just bores the hell out of me and the taste annoys me after a few bites. Chicken I just don't see the point. Next to a programmer I am a cook (own a restaurant) and I find taste very important; always have. So I think 'meat is delicious' is an opinion of yourself (and often people who never tried much else; people who cook 'without meat' (for whatever reason) often cook very bland; then I can understand it; those meals give 'vegetarian' cooking a very bad name and meat 'automatically' would make those better tasting for a lot of people. I wouldn't eat a barely heated up mashed pumpkin without seasoning either); I prefer other things and sure, if there is a bit of meat in something then it can be nice under the right circumstances.
  - cowpewter 10y ago
    I'm a Type 2 Diabetic. I control my blood sugar with a low carb, high fat diet. I don't eat extreme amounts of protein, but I do need a form of it that doesn't come with a lot of added carbs, and I think eating whole foods is a lot healthier than eating proteins that have been isolated out of plant foods. I eat meat and (non-starchy) vegetables. I don't eat like a bodybuilder, but neither is a plant-protein-based diet easy for me.
Ensorceled 10y ago
This is what drives me crazy about vegans. Sorry, it is easier to eat meat. The protein IS higher quality, easier to digest and more balanced. Eating nutritional yeast and balancing your legumes, tofu and other protein sources to get a proper assortment of B vitamins and amino acids IS harder. Not saying it's not healthier, not saying is not more ethical, not saying anything except it IS easier. Stop lying.
- throwaway243546 10y ago
  > This is what drives me crazy about vegans. Do you think all vegans are the same? There is no need to make a huge generalization about a group that is so diverse. > The protein IS higher quality, easier to digest and more balanced I've never seen anyone claim that meat is easier to digest than plants. Do you have a source? In terms of quality, you first need to define quality and that depends on your goals. Whole plant protein comes packed with fiber, while animal protein comes packed with cholesterol, IGF-1 and saturated fat. If your goal is to prevent heart disease and cancer through dietary means, plant protein is higher quality. > Eating nutritional yeast and balancing your legumes, tofu and other protein sources to get a proper assortment of B vitamins and amino acids IS harder. This statement makes it clear that you don't know much about vegan diets. This is usually a concern I hear from pre-vegans or people who have been vegan for 2 weeks. > not saying anything except it IS easier. Stop lying. If I was ever worried about getting all 9 essential amino acids in a single meal (believe me, most vegans don't think about it), I would eat beans and rice, or lentils and potatoes, or edamame, or tempeh, or quinoa, or hummus and crackers, or a peanut butter sandwich, or tofu. For me, this is a lot easier (and cheaper) than preparing meat. If you've been eating meat for 20 years, it will be easier for you to keep eating meat, no one is disputing that. Now, eating out is definitely harder as a vegan, but like the parent said, it's because the way society is currently setup, not because meat is easier to produce.
  - Ensorceled 10y ago
    > Do you think all vegans are the same? There is no need to make a huge generalization about a group that is so diverse. True, I should have qualified this. It's only a subset of vegans who frustrate me this way. > I've never seen anyone claim that meat is easier to digest than plants. Do you have a source? Really? Google "is meat easier to digest than vegetable protein". It literally has millions of results. > In terms of quality, you first need to define quality and that depends on your goals. Whole plant protein comes packed with fiber, while animal protein comes packed with cholesterol, IGF-1 and saturated fat. If your goal is to prevent heart disease and cancer through dietary means, plant protein is higher quality. Yeah, I get this argument. It's why I'm eating vegetarian or vegan at least a few times a week these days. > This statement makes it clear that you don't know much about vegan diets. This is usually a concern I hear from pre-vegans or people who have been vegan for 2 weeks. I'm going by discussions such the ones in my vegan cookbooks, similar to this one: http://veganhealth.org/articles/protein http://veganhealth.org/articles/protein > If you've been eating meat for 20 years, it will be easier for you to keep eating meat, no one is disputing that. That was the crux of my argument: it is NOT easy to be vegan, stop saying it is. It is arguably better. Healthier and more ethically sound. But my vegan days have much more time-consuming shopping, cooking and prep days.
jimmywanger 10y ago
> How is it easiest? Raw meat, eggs, and such are very easy to cook and make delicious. Tofu is already highly processed, and beans require a length cooking time. By any definition of the word, animal protein is less time consuming to make more delicious than plant protein.
- lolwaaaat 10y ago
  You think "raw" meat is unprocessed? That's cute.
  - jimmywanger 10y ago
    > You think "raw" meat is unprocessed? Your reading comprehension needs work. And compared to tofu, a cut of raw meat is far less processed.
    - lolwaaaat 10y ago
      That's false and, frankly, quite a naive assertion which is easily refuted.
      - jimmywanger 10y ago
        > quite a naive assertion which is easily refuted. Then refute it, instead of spouting baseless accusations. With meat, you cut the meat off the animal after skinning it. With tofu, you dry the beans, soak them, add a chemical coagulant to the fluid, and then press it. I don't know what sources you're reading, or what your definition of the word "processed" is, but neither are commonly accepted.
        omgwtfutoo 10y ago
        You forgot the part where they add a ton of antibiotics to the meat, where it gets infected with pathogens and viruses, then has to be bleached, frozen, and cooked to dangerously high temperatures which produce known carninogens. That's about as processed as you can get.
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m_fayer 10y ago
At least for me, I have a high-sensitivity gut that sometimes verges into IBS territory, if I mistreat it. I can't tolerate beans or similar in any quantity, so I'm left with pretty much tofu as a non-meat protein source. And I have to eat fairly high-protein low-carb to avoid various minor autoimmune nuisances. So if I were to cut meat, dairy, and eggs - I would pretty much have to exist on tofu, and I'm dubious about that being a good idea. I think my situation is hardly rare.

jordanthoms 10y ago

Chicken breast and many other meats have a much higher ratio of protein compared to carbs and fat than tofu, beans, etc.

marricks 10y ago
This argument boggles my mind. Are we all body builders? Why do we need to eat like them? There's this protein craze going on that we all need to eat the densest sources of protein cause we all look like Arnold. The amount of protein in seeds, tofu, seitan, nuts, legumes is plenty for almost anyone. And if you are power lifting even omnivore lifters take protein shakes after working out usually.
- jimmywanger 10y ago
  > Why do we need to eat like them? You're shifting the argument. The point isn't that we need to eat like them, it's that we want to, and meat is delicious. > The amount of protein in seeds, tofu, seitan, nuts, legumes is plenty for almost anyone. By that logic, there'd be no point in manufacturing sports cars or macbook pros anymore, because normal cars and Chromebooks have enough power for "almost anyone".
  - tluyben2 10y ago
    > it's that we want to, and meat is delicious. Matter of taste? I don't like it much, never did and I grew up in a family were we ate tons of meat and vegetarian was a dirty word. I like 'a bite' of very good beef, but I could never eat a whole steak; just bores the hell out of me and the taste annoys me after a few bites. Chicken I just don't see the point. Next to a programmer I am a cook (own a restaurant) and I find taste very important; always have. So I think 'meat is delicious' is an opinion of yourself (and often people who never tried much else; people who cook 'without meat' (for whatever reason) often cook very bland; then I can understand it; those meals give 'vegetarian' cooking a very bad name and meat 'automatically' would make those better tasting for a lot of people. I wouldn't eat a barely heated up mashed pumpkin without seasoning either); I prefer other things and sure, if there is a bit of meat in something then it can be nice under the right circumstances.
- cowpewter 10y ago
  I'm a Type 2 Diabetic. I control my blood sugar with a low carb, high fat diet. I don't eat extreme amounts of protein, but I do need a form of it that doesn't come with a lot of added carbs, and I think eating whole foods is a lot healthier than eating proteins that have been isolated out of plant foods. I eat meat and (non-starchy) vegetables. I don't eat like a bodybuilder, but neither is a plant-protein-based diet easy for me.

Ensorceled 10y ago

This is what drives me crazy about vegans. Sorry, it is easier to eat meat. The protein IS higher quality, easier to digest and more balanced. Eating nutritional yeast and balancing your legumes, tofu and other protein sources to get a proper assortment of B vitamins and amino acids IS harder. Not saying it's not healthier, not saying is not more ethical, not saying anything except it IS easier. Stop lying.

throwaway243546 10y ago
> This is what drives me crazy about vegans. Do you think all vegans are the same? There is no need to make a huge generalization about a group that is so diverse. > The protein IS higher quality, easier to digest and more balanced I've never seen anyone claim that meat is easier to digest than plants. Do you have a source? In terms of quality, you first need to define quality and that depends on your goals. Whole plant protein comes packed with fiber, while animal protein comes packed with cholesterol, IGF-1 and saturated fat. If your goal is to prevent heart disease and cancer through dietary means, plant protein is higher quality. > Eating nutritional yeast and balancing your legumes, tofu and other protein sources to get a proper assortment of B vitamins and amino acids IS harder. This statement makes it clear that you don't know much about vegan diets. This is usually a concern I hear from pre-vegans or people who have been vegan for 2 weeks. > not saying anything except it IS easier. Stop lying. If I was ever worried about getting all 9 essential amino acids in a single meal (believe me, most vegans don't think about it), I would eat beans and rice, or lentils and potatoes, or edamame, or tempeh, or quinoa, or hummus and crackers, or a peanut butter sandwich, or tofu. For me, this is a lot easier (and cheaper) than preparing meat. If you've been eating meat for 20 years, it will be easier for you to keep eating meat, no one is disputing that. Now, eating out is definitely harder as a vegan, but like the parent said, it's because the way society is currently setup, not because meat is easier to produce.
- Ensorceled 10y ago
  > Do you think all vegans are the same? There is no need to make a huge generalization about a group that is so diverse. True, I should have qualified this. It's only a subset of vegans who frustrate me this way. > I've never seen anyone claim that meat is easier to digest than plants. Do you have a source? Really? Google "is meat easier to digest than vegetable protein". It literally has millions of results. > In terms of quality, you first need to define quality and that depends on your goals. Whole plant protein comes packed with fiber, while animal protein comes packed with cholesterol, IGF-1 and saturated fat. If your goal is to prevent heart disease and cancer through dietary means, plant protein is higher quality. Yeah, I get this argument. It's why I'm eating vegetarian or vegan at least a few times a week these days. > This statement makes it clear that you don't know much about vegan diets. This is usually a concern I hear from pre-vegans or people who have been vegan for 2 weeks. I'm going by discussions such the ones in my vegan cookbooks, similar to this one: http://veganhealth.org/articles/protein http://veganhealth.org/articles/protein > If you've been eating meat for 20 years, it will be easier for you to keep eating meat, no one is disputing that. That was the crux of my argument: it is NOT easy to be vegan, stop saying it is. It is arguably better. Healthier and more ethically sound. But my vegan days have much more time-consuming shopping, cooking and prep days.

jimmywanger 10y ago

> How is it easiest? Raw meat, eggs, and such are very easy to cook and make delicious. Tofu is already highly processed, and beans require a length cooking time. By any definition of the word, animal protein is less time consuming to make more delicious than plant protein.

lolwaaaat 10y ago
You think "raw" meat is unprocessed? That's cute.
- jimmywanger 10y ago
  > You think "raw" meat is unprocessed? Your reading comprehension needs work. And compared to tofu, a cut of raw meat is far less processed.
  - lolwaaaat 10y ago
    That's false and, frankly, quite a naive assertion which is easily refuted.
    - jimmywanger 10y ago
      > quite a naive assertion which is easily refuted. Then refute it, instead of spouting baseless accusations. With meat, you cut the meat off the animal after skinning it. With tofu, you dry the beans, soak them, add a chemical coagulant to the fluid, and then press it. I don't know what sources you're reading, or what your definition of the word "processed" is, but neither are commonly accepted.
      - omgwtfutoo 10y ago
        You forgot the part where they add a ton of antibiotics to the meat, where it gets infected with pathogens and viruses, then has to be bleached, frozen, and cooked to dangerously high temperatures which produce known carninogens. That's about as processed as you can get.

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m_fayer 10y ago

At least for me, I have a high-sensitivity gut that sometimes verges into IBS territory, if I mistreat it. I can't tolerate beans or similar in any quantity, so I'm left with pretty much tofu as a non-meat protein source. And I have to eat fairly high-protein low-carb to avoid various minor autoimmune nuisances. So if I were to cut meat, dairy, and eggs - I would pretty much have to exist on tofu, and I'm dubious about that being a good idea. I think my situation is hardly rare.