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Another article explaining how colleges graduate twice as many STEM workers as there are jobs. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/the-bogus-high-tech-work

Another article explaining how colleges graduate twice as many STEM workers as there are jobs. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/the-bogus-high-tech-worker-sho/ http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/the-bogus-high-tech... EDIT: (from the article) "Currently, U.S. colleges graduate far more scientists and engineers than find employment in those fields every year — about 200,000 more — while the IT industry fills about two-thirds of its entry-level positions with guest workers." One of the reasons that SV tech firms hated Trump was because he wanted to stop the abuse of H1-B Visas. Even Republican and head of HP Meg Whitman said she was voting against Trump. His promise to fix the H1-B Visa abuse would mean that HP would have to pay market wages for programmers and engineers.

thatWasntFun 10y ago
Thank you for pointing this out. Not two weeks ago I was "hired" by a firm to do some consulting for them, during which time they extracted data on "how" to solve a problem (NLP related) and then flew in some dude form India to code the solution. I made a decent wage. For two days. He undoubtedly was a faste progrmmer than me, but fuck if we both didn't get used. I live in a state that thinks the word union means that General Sherman is fixing to burn down the capital, so there's little to no recourse. And I am hesitant about even writing this given how shadily I was treated. Needless to say, there are many reasons why DT was elected, but one of the primary ones is because he promised a thousand times if he promised once that he would slow the tide of incoming labor to shore up the lessening of wage depreciation. I also love how ten years ago the Department of Labor "projected" that STEM career growth would continue unabated for many years, and yet now I can't find a job writing code for literally anyone beyond the example I mentioned earlier. If this is the future, we are completely and totally fucked. Save your pennies folks, you're going to need the copper. Oh, and don't forget to make sure to keep taxes off the rich and the jobs outsourced so the poor Americasn can take it in the ass until the next "public servant" gets elected and doesn't do what they said they would. Meanwhile, I'll be teaching 7 year olds to code hello world (if I am ever lucky enough to actually get a GD job that isn't flipping burgers or pouring sweet fucking tea) while pining for the research position I spent more than three decades in school to be smart enough to do. God Bless America, and all of the nations "she" serves.
- richardlong 10y ago
  So will Trump do what he said he would re: H-1Bs?
- bobdole1234 10y ago
  So, by your own words, the guy who replaced you was better at the actual job you were supposed to do? I'm going to guess you have no idea what his compensation actually was, but you're assuming it's low.
  - mvf0 10y ago
    If the guy that replaced him was that much better than him, that that person should be treated like a first class citizen. Right now H-1B workers are treated like indentured servants and labor abuse is rampant.
aanm1988 10y ago
That's great, since everyone knows all STEM degrees are equivalent. We'll just shift those biology students into tech jobs and presto, done. On the list of reasons to hate trump the H-1B is pretty far down. Especially since the proposals so far wouldn't hurt the companies who aren't abusing the system.

thatWasntFun 10y ago

Thank you for pointing this out. Not two weeks ago I was "hired" by a firm to do some consulting for them, during which time they extracted data on "how" to solve a problem (NLP related) and then flew in some dude form India to code the solution. I made a decent wage. For two days. He undoubtedly was a faste progrmmer than me, but fuck if we both didn't get used. I live in a state that thinks the word union means that General Sherman is fixing to burn down the capital, so there's little to no recourse. And I am hesitant about even writing this given how shadily I was treated. Needless to say, there are many reasons why DT was elected, but one of the primary ones is because he promised a thousand times if he promised once that he would slow the tide of incoming labor to shore up the lessening of wage depreciation. I also love how ten years ago the Department of Labor "projected" that STEM career growth would continue unabated for many years, and yet now I can't find a job writing code for literally anyone beyond the example I mentioned earlier. If this is the future, we are completely and totally fucked. Save your pennies folks, you're going to need the copper. Oh, and don't forget to make sure to keep taxes off the rich and the jobs outsourced so the poor Americasn can take it in the ass until the next "public servant" gets elected and doesn't do what they said they would. Meanwhile, I'll be teaching 7 year olds to code hello world (if I am ever lucky enough to actually get a GD job that isn't flipping burgers or pouring sweet fucking tea) while pining for the research position I spent more than three decades in school to be smart enough to do. God Bless America, and all of the nations "she" serves.

richardlong 10y ago
So will Trump do what he said he would re: H-1Bs?
bobdole1234 10y ago
So, by your own words, the guy who replaced you was better at the actual job you were supposed to do? I'm going to guess you have no idea what his compensation actually was, but you're assuming it's low.
- mvf0 10y ago
  If the guy that replaced him was that much better than him, that that person should be treated like a first class citizen. Right now H-1B workers are treated like indentured servants and labor abuse is rampant.

aanm1988 10y ago

That's great, since everyone knows all STEM degrees are equivalent. We'll just shift those biology students into tech jobs and presto, done. On the list of reasons to hate trump the H-1B is pretty far down. Especially since the proposals so far wouldn't hurt the companies who aren't abusing the system.