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Visual Studio 2017 What's New Poster
- neogodless 10y agoThe "web infographic" version is much more readable... in a web broswer: https://vs2017poster.azurewebsites.net/ https://vs2017poster.azurewebsites.net/
- johnhattan 10y agoYeah, when they say "poster", they're not kidding. I imagine the one-pager is gonna be impossibly hard to read unless you have a printer that can handle 24"x36" or larger.
- pjmlp 10y agoBack when they had the first SQL Server version after the Sybase deal, I think it was version 6.5, we got a full wall poster containing a description of all metadata tables sent to us, along the usual pile of MSDN CDs.
- Sorry_Rum_Ham 10y agoSweet Jesus that thing is borderline impossible to read.
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- timsneath 10y agoTry the web infographic version here: https://aka.ms/vs2017infographic https://aka.ms/vs2017infographic
- voltagex_ 10y agoThey've also gotten rid of the ISO installer which is making enterprise deployment a real pain.
- Yuioup 10y agoWhat about volume licensing? We've been waiting a few days and nothing is showing up.
- richardwhiuk 10y agoOut of curiosity, why is an ISO installer useful for enterprise deployment? I'd have thought an MSI would be much more useful....
- voltagex_ 10y agoThe "official" way is to use a janky installer with a tonne of parameters and no real way to tell if you've got all the files until you try to install. With an ISO, at least you're starting from a known good base when you repackage things. I don't think Visual Studio has ever been an MSI, by the way.
- nightski 10y agoThere are good reasons for it. I hope a sysadmin isn't afraid of some parameters. We've been waiting a very long time for a minimal/piecewise install capable Visual Studio.
- voltagex_ 10y agoYeah, no fear here, except none of those parameters set any kind of logging and there's no way to tell if the download completed successfully (yay Australian Internet)
- alkonaut 10y agoHow does such a deployment scenario work? Are there devs out there who would agree to not set up their IDE themselves? The VS installer has one million optional components, and every dev needs a different set...
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- johnchristopher 10y agoI made the switch from vim to visual studio code for php coding. Is it worth switching to vs2017 ?
- softwarefounder 10y agoVisual Studio is a great tool for languages that compile to a known intermediate language. From what I know, you wouldn't benefit from switching.
- cobalt 10y agofor PHP probably not
- KirinDave 10y agoUnlikely. VS is an IDE that has a lot of dependency and compilation chain management. If you need that, it's great. If not, then stick with what you know.
- timsneath 10y agoThere's an extension to Visual Studio that adds rich PHP support, here: https://www.devsense.com/ https://www.devsense.com/. It's pretty good. You might watch this video to get a sense of what the full Visual Studio IDE offers for a PHP developer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up4bEMPktzU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up4bEMPktzU
- macandcheese 10y agoGlad to see their graphic design internship program is alive and well...
- anotheryou 10y agoserving pdfs to the web like no other link to the gigantic image (displayed quite tiny on the site and after a slow load just linking to the pdf): https://msdnshared.blob.core.windows.net/media/2017/03/VisualStudio2017_ProductLaunchPoster-1.png https://msdnshared.blob.core.windows.net/media/2017/03/Visua...
- mcintyre1994 10y agoAww, I was wondering why they chose an unambitious C# pattern matching example and the really cool stuff didn't make this release. Looks like a solid set of improvements in the IDE and C# though, nice!
- grabcocque 10y agoI think they want F# to be their more experimental functional test bed, and C# to be more conservative.
- jmartinpetersen 10y agoThe use of pattern matching on types in an object oriented languages scares me. It's like a too easily wielded extremely powerful dependency magnet.
- KirinDave 10y ago> It's like a too easily wielded extremely powerful dependency magnet. The equivalent if statement is not?
- jmartinpetersen 10y agoMost people can be brought to realise that they are going somewhere dark when they're using typeof in an if statement. This is a whole language construct built and communicated around this (dark) idea. I understand that general pattern matching is A Really Nice Thing and that Mads misses it from SML (or something like it), I just can't see the value for all the dangers from an OO perspective.
- KirinDave 10y ago> Most people can be brought to realise that they are going somewhere dark when they're using typeof in an if statement. This is a whole language construct built and communicated around this (dark) idea. I'm really confused by your statement on multiple levels. For one, Scala has been doing this for some time and it's one of the less controversial and mostly well-loved things it does. For two, Clojure's been doing it on the JVM and that's hardly Clojure's problem. F#'s been doing it in the .NET interface layer as well. Maybe get specific with your problem rather than saying that there are invisible dragons that only your legendary intelligence can perceive. Because pattern matching and deconstructive binding saves a lot of code and often has a powerful "say what I mean" factor for developers. Comparing it to a typeof conditional chain (which is considerably more awkward to maintain because of the general awkwardness of conditional cascades) seems to me like a very weak argument.
- isaac_is_goat 10y agoThis is almost as bad as the Blender one I saw on reddit a few days ago.
- Flow 10y agoI bet this is the one you refer to: http://giudansky.com/images/articoli/2016/11/blender-infographic-1280-SM.png http://giudansky.com/images/articoli/2016/11/blender-infogra... At a glance it looks quite bad, but if you actually learn Blender it's probably useful.
- Tomis02 10y agoLet me guess, C++ performance (especially when it comes to loading really large projects) decreased again. And it's probably even more sluggish than before. That's been a trend since Visual Studio 6.
- eco 10y agohttps://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2016/10/11/shorter-solution-load-time-in-visual-studio-15/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2016/10/11/sho... Also: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2016/10/13/faster-c-solution-load-and-build-performance-with-visual-studio-15/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2016/10/13/fas...
- Tomis02 10y agoThanks for the links, I'll give it a try. Not holding my breath though.
- philliphaydon 10y agoI'm recommending we don't move to VS2017 at work. It's much slower to open and it's laggy. 2015 compiles about 5 seconds slower but there's no lag in the IDE for me. Hopefully the issues get resolved in update 1. It doesn't mess with project files tho which is great.
- LyalinDotCom 10y agoAlso be sure to check out all the on-demand videos we have up now (including two training courses we did at RTM launch event), its all up on our developer network for free: https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Visual-Studio/Visual-Studio-2017-Launch https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Visual-Studio/Visual-Studio...
- eldavido 10y agoI use Visual Studio every day these days. Honestly, I wish it would do less, but a lot better. Rather than adding new features, I would love to see the following addressed: - 64-bit by default. I am developing for Windows 10, make the entire C# toolchain emit 64-bit binaries. Make devenv.exe 64-bit, make the default build/compile 64-bit - Make the XAML editor work without bombing out in not-that-unreasonable scenarios. - Make it faster. Everywhere. Make project startup faster, make static analysis faster, make the compiler faster. I don't use probably 90% of what it does. You're never going to convince me VS is a better tool for deployments, managing databases, or the approximately 50 other things it tries to do, better than purpose-built, scriptable tools. Just make a fast, purpose-built code editor with good static analysis capabilities, and get out of my way. FWIW, I'm really liking Visual Studio Code these days, it's more in line with what I want.
- KirinDave 10y agoOn the "faster" claim, you may miss it with all the visual noise but on the blog posts they boast noticeable speedups, although I didn't see any quantification.
- caesarshift 10y agoItem #9 from an earlier release announcement says "starting up, loading projects and building": https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/uktechnet/2016/11/29/visual-studio-2017-rc-new-and-improved-features/ https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/uktechnet/2016/11/29/vis...
- timsneath 10y agoThere's a five part blog series on performance improvements in VS2017 (then codenamed version "15"), here: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2016/10/14/improved-overall-visual-studio-15-responsiveness/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2016/10/14/imp...
- PJDK 10y agoHave you tried VS Code (https://code.visualstudio.com/ https://code.visualstudio.com/) with the right plugins it might be exactly what you're after...
- dazbradbury 10y agoVisual Studio release system requirements with every version (I believe): https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/productinfo/vs2017-system-requirements-vs https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/productinfo/vs2017-system... But it would be good to know what their actual developers use - as I see people complaining about Visual Studio lag all the time. Perhaps if they simply stated: SSD recommended, or our developers use XYZ in their builds - it would help individuals and organisations know what hardware is key to perfect performance. I can't imagine devs at MS put up with lag when developing their software - so assume it's well known what hardware matches well with VS.
- pjmlp 10y agoThe interesting part is that this lame 2012 laptop, dual core with 8 GB and HDD, can execute VS 2015 without any major issue, but I get the fan full speed when using Android Studio instead.
- quaffapint 10y agoSeems to have some troubles opening large old solutions. I tried it and it just hangs and never responds with an error or anything. This is on an old aspnet solution with around 40 projects. Googling seems similar issues, but I haven't found a fix yet. I guess that's why you wait for revisions.
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