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Spain is less of an argument now as Catalonia have always been a region of Spain whereas Scotland is its own nation which joined the UK through the Act of Union

Spain is less of an argument now as Catalonia have always been a region of Spain whereas Scotland is its own nation which joined the UK through the Act of Union. It's a different legal precedent. Also, I imagine that Spain will do what they're encouraged to do by thE EC considering the budgetary reliance.

mezod 10y ago
wait what? Catalonia has always been what? Nope.
- ruairidhwm 10y ago
  Hey - if I'm wrong then I'd love to be corrected as I'm currently labouring under the impression that Catalonia is legally a region of Spain and has been part of Spain since around 1469 which was when the concept of what we now know as Spain started. Not at all wanting a flame-war etc but if I'm wrong then I'd really like to know! :)
  - mezod 10y ago
    Sorry, I now realize my answer could appear to be rude when it wasn't my intention. The correct year to consider it fully a region of Spain would be 1714, when the Spanish army defeated the catalans and removed most of its state structures/institutions, etc. This article's intro might help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Catalonia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Catalonia I don't want to bore you with a history lesson that I myself might not know accurately, but I feel the need to say that different namings for the same levels of independence of state structures should be taken into consideration. So saying "Catalonia has always been a region of Spain" is far from the truth or at least it skips a lot of history.
    - ruairidhwm 10y ago
      Ah that's really interesting, thanks! I didn't mean any offence by my statement, I understand that of course Catalan's case for independence is no less valid! I suppose it's really just legal wrangling :)
      - mezod 10y ago
        No offense at all! It's just that history is written by the winners and we have so little international visibility that it hurts :P

mezod 10y ago

wait what? Catalonia has always been what? Nope.

ruairidhwm 10y ago
Hey - if I'm wrong then I'd love to be corrected as I'm currently labouring under the impression that Catalonia is legally a region of Spain and has been part of Spain since around 1469 which was when the concept of what we now know as Spain started. Not at all wanting a flame-war etc but if I'm wrong then I'd really like to know! :)
- mezod 10y ago
  Sorry, I now realize my answer could appear to be rude when it wasn't my intention. The correct year to consider it fully a region of Spain would be 1714, when the Spanish army defeated the catalans and removed most of its state structures/institutions, etc. This article's intro might help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Catalonia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Catalonia I don't want to bore you with a history lesson that I myself might not know accurately, but I feel the need to say that different namings for the same levels of independence of state structures should be taken into consideration. So saying "Catalonia has always been a region of Spain" is far from the truth or at least it skips a lot of history.
  - ruairidhwm 10y ago
    Ah that's really interesting, thanks! I didn't mean any offence by my statement, I understand that of course Catalan's case for independence is no less valid! I suppose it's really just legal wrangling :)
    - mezod 10y ago
      No offense at all! It's just that history is written by the winners and we have so little international visibility that it hurts :P