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My problem is that they are coupling security updates and user-interface updates. The fact that they were offering the switch to Windows 10 didn't make it some

My problem is that they are coupling security updates and user-interface updates. The fact that they were offering the switch to Windows 10 didn't make it something that I wanted. I can't stand the trend toward flat design. It was stupid with Windows 8, and I held out on Windows 7, hoping that 10 would bring some sense back to the interface. Instead, they doubled-down on the poor design, and I'm finding just how little I need to use Windows on a day-to-day basis, when Linux is becoming more and more user-friendly. Unfortunately, it does mean that I only have until 2020 to finish up my backlog of Windows-only video games, before the long-term support of Windows 7 runs out.

orbitingpluto 10y ago
This. The UI in Windows 10 is inconsistent and ever changing. Do you have to do something in the flat design portion or in the older Win7 style? It's akin to having to attempt to plug a USB2.0 cable into your computer three times. I'm so sick of the inconsistency of the GUI that I just pop open PowerShell and gwmi things I want to manipulate. One example is networking. I have a Windows 8 based tablet that I upgraded to 10. The networking is very iffy when rebooting and I often have to disable it and then re-enable the device in "Network and Sharing Center-->Change Adapter Settings". Trying to do this in the flat design way never works. Now what if I want to manage the list of WiFi networks or prioritize them? There use to be a link in the Network and Sharing Center in the bottom left. Once upon a time you could also click on the icon on your current active network which would then give you an option to manage.) That doesn't work for me anymore. I now have to do that in the flat design "Settings". I also had to go into the registry to get a full pop-up keyboard. The option to enable it was just greyed out. And upgrading to the Anniversary edition on this 32GB tablet required a full reinstall and very carefully timed insertions/removals of a USB hub. Upgrading to Win10 from Win8 actually shortened the OS support lifetime for many of the 32GB tablets. Continued Win10 support requires updating of Win10... Combine that with the Metro apps that I've paid money for just disappearing for good from my library, and I wonder why anyone puts up with this? It was actually easier to do the 32 bit Linux UEFI workaround than reinstalling the Win10 Anniversary update.
_pmf_ 10y ago
> when Linux is becoming more and more user-friendly I used Linux on the desktop from 2004 to 2008; I cannot stand it today.
- Neliquat 10y ago
  Because?
- zzleeper 10y ago
  I don't know why you are being downvoted. I used Ubuntu as my main OS in 11-12 and tried it again a month ago and am regretting it (the UI has a lot of weird bugs; heck I couldn't believe I would have missed Windows Explorer).
  - yoasif_ 10y ago
    Just install MATE or Xfce.
notalaser 10y ago
> I can't stand the trend toward flat design. You're not gonna like 2017 Linux then. The superflat, super-trendy themes have the most users and are pretty much the only ones that see regular updates. Which are required because tl;dr GTK3. Vertex and -- honest to God! -- a Win 3.x lookalike are virtually the only decent alternatives that work for more than six months.
- vetinari 10y ago
  GTK3's Adwaita (default theme) is not flat. Sure, you can download misc flat themes, but the default is not.
  - notalaser 10y ago
    It's also needlessly frickin' huge. It's worse than Industrial (oh, the memories...). It's like it was designed for touch screens and tablets, not monitors and real computers. Someone built a "smaller" version a while ago, but it hasn't been updated, so it no longer works on recent GTK versions.
scholia 10y ago
> My problem is that they are coupling security updates and user-interface updates. Welcome to data-driven software development. Good luck turning back that tide....
- Silhouette 10y ago
  You only need that luck if you get your software from people who think coupling security updates and UI updates is a good thing. Fortunately, not everyone does. Obviously Microsoft itself realises this, because Windows 10 Enterprise is essentially a different product. In the spirit of sharing good luck, I wish you luck in finding any large corporate IT department that will adopt an OS as their standard platform without the ability to control exactly what gets updated and when. The trick Microsoft seems to be trying to pull with Windows 10 is getting everyone else to be the beta testers for its enterprise customers. Commercially, I imagine that makes a lot of sense if you can do it, since surely those enterprise customers are far more valuable to you. Other customers, who can choose from ever more alternatives for activities that used to use a Windows PC by default, might not be so keen. Casual home users rely more on alternative devices like phones, tablets, and consoles these days. "Prosumers" and small businesses can work with Apple gear or Linux, either on their own merits or simply because if a lot of the services you use are available online then it doesn't much matter what OS you're running locally anyway. With Windows 10 Pro being such an odd beast, I wonder how much longevity Microsoft's apparent strategy actually has.
  - scholia 10y ago
    Every website you use -- especially every Google and Facebook site -- is doing data-driven development where security and UI updates are made on a continuous basis. So are a lot of other programs, including browsers. Welcome to the modern world. > Windows 10 Enterprise is essentially a different product. Windows 10 Enterprise is essentially the same product. The timing is slightly different. > I wish you luck in finding any large corporate IT department that will adopt an OS as their standard platform without the ability to control exactly what gets updated and when. Try the US Defense Department, Accenture, and Bank of America. Adaptiva Names Surge in Windows 10 Adoption Among Major Enterprise IT Industry Predictions for 2017 http://www.adaptiva.com/blog/2016/adaptiva-names-surge-windows-10-adoption-among-major-enterprise-industry-predictions-2017/ http://www.adaptiva.com/blog/2016/adaptiva-names-surge-windo... 100% Windows 10 Adoption Rate by 2019; 50% by 2017, Say Gartner and Citrix http://1reddrop.com/2017/01/05/100-percent-windows-10-adoption-2019-50-percent-2017-gartner-citrix/ http://1reddrop.com/2017/01/05/100-percent-windows-10-adopti...

orbitingpluto 10y ago

This. The UI in Windows 10 is inconsistent and ever changing. Do you have to do something in the flat design portion or in the older Win7 style? It's akin to having to attempt to plug a USB2.0 cable into your computer three times. I'm so sick of the inconsistency of the GUI that I just pop open PowerShell and gwmi things I want to manipulate. One example is networking. I have a Windows 8 based tablet that I upgraded to 10. The networking is very iffy when rebooting and I often have to disable it and then re-enable the device in "Network and Sharing Center-->Change Adapter Settings". Trying to do this in the flat design way never works. Now what if I want to manage the list of WiFi networks or prioritize them? There use to be a link in the Network and Sharing Center in the bottom left. Once upon a time you could also click on the icon on your current active network which would then give you an option to manage.) That doesn't work for me anymore. I now have to do that in the flat design "Settings". I also had to go into the registry to get a full pop-up keyboard. The option to enable it was just greyed out. And upgrading to the Anniversary edition on this 32GB tablet required a full reinstall and very carefully timed insertions/removals of a USB hub. Upgrading to Win10 from Win8 actually shortened the OS support lifetime for many of the 32GB tablets. Continued Win10 support requires updating of Win10... Combine that with the Metro apps that I've paid money for just disappearing for good from my library, and I wonder why anyone puts up with this? It was actually easier to do the 32 bit Linux UEFI workaround than reinstalling the Win10 Anniversary update.

_pmf_ 10y ago

> when Linux is becoming more and more user-friendly I used Linux on the desktop from 2004 to 2008; I cannot stand it today.

Neliquat 10y ago
Because?
zzleeper 10y ago
I don't know why you are being downvoted. I used Ubuntu as my main OS in 11-12 and tried it again a month ago and am regretting it (the UI has a lot of weird bugs; heck I couldn't believe I would have missed Windows Explorer).
- yoasif_ 10y ago
  Just install MATE or Xfce.

notalaser 10y ago

> I can't stand the trend toward flat design. You're not gonna like 2017 Linux then. The superflat, super-trendy themes have the most users and are pretty much the only ones that see regular updates. Which are required because tl;dr GTK3. Vertex and -- honest to God! -- a Win 3.x lookalike are virtually the only decent alternatives that work for more than six months.

vetinari 10y ago
GTK3's Adwaita (default theme) is not flat. Sure, you can download misc flat themes, but the default is not.
- notalaser 10y ago
  It's also needlessly frickin' huge. It's worse than Industrial (oh, the memories...). It's like it was designed for touch screens and tablets, not monitors and real computers. Someone built a "smaller" version a while ago, but it hasn't been updated, so it no longer works on recent GTK versions.

scholia 10y ago

> My problem is that they are coupling security updates and user-interface updates. Welcome to data-driven software development. Good luck turning back that tide....

Silhouette 10y ago
You only need that luck if you get your software from people who think coupling security updates and UI updates is a good thing. Fortunately, not everyone does. Obviously Microsoft itself realises this, because Windows 10 Enterprise is essentially a different product. In the spirit of sharing good luck, I wish you luck in finding any large corporate IT department that will adopt an OS as their standard platform without the ability to control exactly what gets updated and when. The trick Microsoft seems to be trying to pull with Windows 10 is getting everyone else to be the beta testers for its enterprise customers. Commercially, I imagine that makes a lot of sense if you can do it, since surely those enterprise customers are far more valuable to you. Other customers, who can choose from ever more alternatives for activities that used to use a Windows PC by default, might not be so keen. Casual home users rely more on alternative devices like phones, tablets, and consoles these days. "Prosumers" and small businesses can work with Apple gear or Linux, either on their own merits or simply because if a lot of the services you use are available online then it doesn't much matter what OS you're running locally anyway. With Windows 10 Pro being such an odd beast, I wonder how much longevity Microsoft's apparent strategy actually has.
- scholia 10y ago
  Every website you use -- especially every Google and Facebook site -- is doing data-driven development where security and UI updates are made on a continuous basis. So are a lot of other programs, including browsers. Welcome to the modern world. > Windows 10 Enterprise is essentially a different product. Windows 10 Enterprise is essentially the same product. The timing is slightly different. > I wish you luck in finding any large corporate IT department that will adopt an OS as their standard platform without the ability to control exactly what gets updated and when. Try the US Defense Department, Accenture, and Bank of America. Adaptiva Names Surge in Windows 10 Adoption Among Major Enterprise IT Industry Predictions for 2017 http://www.adaptiva.com/blog/2016/adaptiva-names-surge-windows-10-adoption-among-major-enterprise-industry-predictions-2017/ http://www.adaptiva.com/blog/2016/adaptiva-names-surge-windo... 100% Windows 10 Adoption Rate by 2019; 50% by 2017, Say Gartner and Citrix http://1reddrop.com/2017/01/05/100-percent-windows-10-adoption-2019-50-percent-2017-gartner-citrix/ http://1reddrop.com/2017/01/05/100-percent-windows-10-adopti...