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From what I've seen, there are less African-American and non-white hispanic men in tech than there are white and Asian women, yet I never see this discussed. Is

by xor1 10y ago

From what I've seen, there are less African-American and non-white hispanic men in tech than there are white and Asian women, yet I never see this discussed. Is this not an important issue as well? Will skewed racial ratios only be handled after gender parity has been achieved? Or do they not matter at all?

batty 10y ago
This is just concern trolling. Obviously all these issues are important to address; simply pointing to another issue does not contribute to solving either of them.
- xor1 10y ago
  >concern trolling Thanks, I was looking for a way to call people disingenuous without actually using the term, since it's apparently become a no-no word on HN.
rkuykendall-com 10y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
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danso 10y ago
The same people who call attention to gender diversity also speak out for racial diversity. This particular piece focuses on gender because of today's being International Women's Day. http://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/why-cant-silicon-valley-solve-its-diversity-problem http://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/why-cant-silicon-... http://www.theverge.com/2015/8/20/9179853/tech-diversity-scorecard-apple-google-microsoft-facebook-intel-twitter-amazon http://www.theverge.com/2015/8/20/9179853/tech-diversity-sco... https://medium.com/tech-diversity-files/thought-on-diversity-part-2-why-diversity-is-difficult-3dfd552fa1f7#.g7677qfr1 https://medium.com/tech-diversity-files/thought-on-diversity...
- xor1 10y ago
  >The same people who call attention to gender diversity also speak out for racial diversity Why don't I ever see it being discussed on HN?
  - kampkrusty 10y ago
    As others have said here: if you don't see it, that should tell you something. The lesson isn't that minorities don't talk about their own issues.
  - danso 10y ago
    Uh, does it not seem logical that if there are fewer black/Hispanic minorities in tech, that there will be fewer blog posts from that perspective? But just because you don't ever see it discussed on HN doesn't mean that it isn't. Try out the HN search engine: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=racism&sort=byPopularity&prefix=false&page=0&dateRange=all&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?query=racism&sort=byPopularity&prefi... https://hn.algolia.com/?query=african%20american&sort=byPopularity&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?query=african%20american&sort=byPopu... Here's a discussion last year on the YC blog post that was titled, "YC Open Office Hours for Black and Hispanic Founders" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10228326 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10228326
  - mmcwilliams 10y ago
    Because the highly-entrenched members of this site have access to the downvote button.
  - fatbird 10y ago
    Because we have enough difficulties discussing basic issues of gender equity, without trying to deal with intersectional and allied issues. Walk before you run!
  - eropple 10y ago
    I see it come up pretty regularly. It usually is then followed by racist pablum of one sort or another--so the resistance to racial issues isn't exactly different from the resistance to gender ones.
megablast 10y ago
> yet I never see this discussed Weasel words. The discussion happens, it is out there, you can find it. Who is to blame if you ignore it?
Larrikin 10y ago
Because those are typically flagged and down voted even faster on here because there are less people to unflag and upvote
prawn 10y ago
I've seen a number of programs/discussions about black people in tech on HN. http://www.blackgirlscode.com/ http://www.blackgirlscode.com/ https://www.devcolor.org/ https://www.devcolor.org/ I remember reading this particular blog entry via HN: https://blog.devcolor.org/on-being-a-black-man-42ecb7946fe0 https://blog.devcolor.org/on-being-a-black-man-42ecb7946fe0 The disparity you're talking about could be because there are more women in tech (just underrepresented in C-level roles or whatever it might be) likely to speak up, whereas black people are underrepresented in tech full stop?
handojin 10y ago
Ah. Christ. Mechanics? I mean the women are like 50% of the population so big target likesay? Some of those women are non-white and a rising tide lifts all boats you know?
phlakaton 10y ago
Sure, it's important. In the meantime, I note that you could have chosen, in response to a post on International Women's Day, to show appreciation to black _women_ and latina _women_ in tech, and recognize the issues that they face on all of these fronts. You chose not to do so. Hence it seems to me like your purpose here might be to draw attention away from those women, because you don't think they need your support or solidarity. Was that your intent?

by xor1 10y ago

batty 10y ago

This is just concern trolling. Obviously all these issues are important to address; simply pointing to another issue does not contribute to solving either of them.

xor1 10y ago
>concern trolling Thanks, I was looking for a way to call people disingenuous without actually using the term, since it's apparently become a no-no word on HN.

rkuykendall-com 10y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

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danso 10y ago

The same people who call attention to gender diversity also speak out for racial diversity. This particular piece focuses on gender because of today's being International Women's Day. http://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/why-cant-silicon-valley-solve-its-diversity-problem http://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/why-cant-silicon-... http://www.theverge.com/2015/8/20/9179853/tech-diversity-scorecard-apple-google-microsoft-facebook-intel-twitter-amazon http://www.theverge.com/2015/8/20/9179853/tech-diversity-sco... https://medium.com/tech-diversity-files/thought-on-diversity-part-2-why-diversity-is-difficult-3dfd552fa1f7#.g7677qfr1 https://medium.com/tech-diversity-files/thought-on-diversity...

xor1 10y ago
>The same people who call attention to gender diversity also speak out for racial diversity Why don't I ever see it being discussed on HN?
- kampkrusty 10y ago
  As others have said here: if you don't see it, that should tell you something. The lesson isn't that minorities don't talk about their own issues.
- danso 10y ago
  Uh, does it not seem logical that if there are fewer black/Hispanic minorities in tech, that there will be fewer blog posts from that perspective? But just because you don't ever see it discussed on HN doesn't mean that it isn't. Try out the HN search engine: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=racism&sort=byPopularity&prefix=false&page=0&dateRange=all&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?query=racism&sort=byPopularity&prefi... https://hn.algolia.com/?query=african%20american&sort=byPopularity&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?query=african%20american&sort=byPopu... Here's a discussion last year on the YC blog post that was titled, "YC Open Office Hours for Black and Hispanic Founders" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10228326 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10228326
- mmcwilliams 10y ago
  Because the highly-entrenched members of this site have access to the downvote button.
- fatbird 10y ago
  Because we have enough difficulties discussing basic issues of gender equity, without trying to deal with intersectional and allied issues. Walk before you run!
- eropple 10y ago
  I see it come up pretty regularly. It usually is then followed by racist pablum of one sort or another--so the resistance to racial issues isn't exactly different from the resistance to gender ones.

megablast 10y ago

> yet I never see this discussed Weasel words. The discussion happens, it is out there, you can find it. Who is to blame if you ignore it?

Larrikin 10y ago

Because those are typically flagged and down voted even faster on here because there are less people to unflag and upvote

prawn 10y ago

I've seen a number of programs/discussions about black people in tech on HN. http://www.blackgirlscode.com/ http://www.blackgirlscode.com/ https://www.devcolor.org/ https://www.devcolor.org/ I remember reading this particular blog entry via HN: https://blog.devcolor.org/on-being-a-black-man-42ecb7946fe0 https://blog.devcolor.org/on-being-a-black-man-42ecb7946fe0 The disparity you're talking about could be because there are more women in tech (just underrepresented in C-level roles or whatever it might be) likely to speak up, whereas black people are underrepresented in tech full stop?

handojin 10y ago

Ah. Christ. Mechanics? I mean the women are like 50% of the population so big target likesay? Some of those women are non-white and a rising tide lifts all boats you know?

phlakaton 10y ago

Sure, it's important. In the meantime, I note that you could have chosen, in response to a post on International Women's Day, to show appreciation to black _women_ and latina _women_ in tech, and recognize the issues that they face on all of these fronts. You chose not to do so. Hence it seems to me like your purpose here might be to draw attention away from those women, because you don't think they need your support or solidarity. Was that your intent?