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> I'm sure as shit happy to pay more in taxes for a universal single single-payer. I Great, you can opt in to that, but don't force everyone else who doesn't

> I'm sure as shit happy to pay more in taxes for a universal single single-payer. I Great, you can opt in to that, but don't force everyone else who doesn't agree with you to subsidize everyone else's poor decisions

mozumder 10y ago
That's the deal with citizenship - we allow you to live with us as long as you pay for other people. In particular, paying for people that don't make good decisions for themselves. Which is fine, since everyone is poorer than someone else. No one is interested in allowing you to live in a country without paying for it. You live under the permission of others. Them's the rules - take it or leave it.
- mcbruiser 10y ago
  you allow me to? so what if I stop working and pay no taxes? do I have to leave? you sound very self righteous. I assume you're a typical liberal. do you realize you're making an argument against illegal immigration?
  - mozumder 10y ago
    As a typical self-righteous liberal, I'll just say that: illegal immigrants pay taxes.
- jxramos 10y ago
  L'Etat c'est la grande fiction à travers laquelle tout le monde s'efforce de vivre aux dépens de tout le monde. The State is the great fiction through which everyone endeavours to live at the expense of everyone else. The State in Journal des débats (1848) par. 5.20. https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric_Bastiat#Quotes https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric_Bastiat#Quo...
Frondo 10y ago
Ok, well, as a cyclist who doesn't own a car, and as a vegetarian who doesn't eat meat, and as a childless infertile dude, I'm sure tired of subsidizing you cow-eating motorist parents. Oh, wait, that's what society is--we all pay for communal stuff because we're all ultimately in this together.
- dang 10y ago
  It looks like you've been using HN primarily for political arguments. That's not what this site is intended for, so please don't do that.
- mcbruiser1 10y ago
  > Oh, wait, that's what society is- No, that's what socialism and communism are.
- mcbruiser 10y ago
  sounds like communism to me. I prefer survival of the fittest, and you don't sound very fit to me, which makes it understandable why you would be in favor of everyone else supporting the load.
  - dang 10y ago
    We've banned this account for repeatedly violating the HN guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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nikdaheratik 10y ago
Yeah, I'm sure all the people who chose to get cancer or be born prematurely are just leeching off the rest of us. Even if you rarely ever use the system, you're still better off having a country where people don't have to worry about going bankrupt of something terrible happens to them and they need healthcare. Also, it actually makes things easier for businesses to not have to deal with figuring out how to pay for insurance for everyone every year. A single tax that you can plan for without worry and just get on with running your company? Sounds good to me.
- dang 10y ago
  > Yeah, I'm sure all the people who chose to get cancer or be born prematurely are just leeching Please don't vent snark like this on HN, even when someone else is wrong and/or started it. Your comment would be just fine without that.
bsder 10y ago
Breaking an ankle is not a "decision". Tuberculosis is not a "decision". Cancer is not a "decision". Alzheimer's is not a "decision". "Getting old" is not a "decision".
- mcbruiser 10y ago
  agreed, but not seeking employment that provides insurance is
- mcbruiser1 10y ago
  You're thinking about this backwards. Health is a personal responsibility. The things you cite are not decisions, naturally, but many things that make people sick are choices (smoking, poor diet, not exercising, etc) and the choice to not pursue employment that provides adequate health insurance is.
DanBC 10y ago
You already subsidise healthcare. The US government spends more per capita on health than the UK government does.

mozumder 10y ago

That's the deal with citizenship - we allow you to live with us as long as you pay for other people. In particular, paying for people that don't make good decisions for themselves. Which is fine, since everyone is poorer than someone else. No one is interested in allowing you to live in a country without paying for it. You live under the permission of others. Them's the rules - take it or leave it.

mcbruiser 10y ago
you allow me to? so what if I stop working and pay no taxes? do I have to leave? you sound very self righteous. I assume you're a typical liberal. do you realize you're making an argument against illegal immigration?
- mozumder 10y ago
  As a typical self-righteous liberal, I'll just say that: illegal immigrants pay taxes.
jxramos 10y ago
L'Etat c'est la grande fiction à travers laquelle tout le monde s'efforce de vivre aux dépens de tout le monde. The State is the great fiction through which everyone endeavours to live at the expense of everyone else. The State in Journal des débats (1848) par. 5.20. https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric_Bastiat#Quotes https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric_Bastiat#Quo...

Frondo 10y ago

Ok, well, as a cyclist who doesn't own a car, and as a vegetarian who doesn't eat meat, and as a childless infertile dude, I'm sure tired of subsidizing you cow-eating motorist parents. Oh, wait, that's what society is--we all pay for communal stuff because we're all ultimately in this together.

dang 10y ago
It looks like you've been using HN primarily for political arguments. That's not what this site is intended for, so please don't do that.
mcbruiser1 10y ago
> Oh, wait, that's what society is- No, that's what socialism and communism are.
mcbruiser 10y ago
sounds like communism to me. I prefer survival of the fittest, and you don't sound very fit to me, which makes it understandable why you would be in favor of everyone else supporting the load.
- dang 10y ago
  We've banned this account for repeatedly violating the HN guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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nikdaheratik 10y ago

Yeah, I'm sure all the people who chose to get cancer or be born prematurely are just leeching off the rest of us. Even if you rarely ever use the system, you're still better off having a country where people don't have to worry about going bankrupt of something terrible happens to them and they need healthcare. Also, it actually makes things easier for businesses to not have to deal with figuring out how to pay for insurance for everyone every year. A single tax that you can plan for without worry and just get on with running your company? Sounds good to me.

dang 10y ago
> Yeah, I'm sure all the people who chose to get cancer or be born prematurely are just leeching Please don't vent snark like this on HN, even when someone else is wrong and/or started it. Your comment would be just fine without that.

bsder 10y ago

Breaking an ankle is not a "decision". Tuberculosis is not a "decision". Cancer is not a "decision". Alzheimer's is not a "decision". "Getting old" is not a "decision".

mcbruiser 10y ago
agreed, but not seeking employment that provides insurance is
mcbruiser1 10y ago
You're thinking about this backwards. Health is a personal responsibility. The things you cite are not decisions, naturally, but many things that make people sick are choices (smoking, poor diet, not exercising, etc) and the choice to not pursue employment that provides adequate health insurance is.

DanBC 10y ago

You already subsidise healthcare. The US government spends more per capita on health than the UK government does.